just 2 know: If bandpass have narrow freq. response why do manu. curves show wider?

[vehementSPL 10+ year member]

" of course, when I say flatter, I'm only referring to the 20hz-100hz range or so, but that's really where most of the sub response is expected to lie, anyway. Keep in mind that I don't want one I never even considered it: I want the cleaner thump of sealed, but I just wondered."

Ok I do apologize I didn't see this when I had responded the other night. So in that aspect I was incorrect. You brought up that you have been in the car scene before I probably was even driving. Perhaps true but that doesn't automatically mean you know more about the subject (I hate when older people assume they know more due to age) I have talked to more than a few people that have worked in car audio for 20 years that didn't know 1/100th about what I know of SPL. People learn at different rates. Same goes for BP enclosures. Playing with and understanding is completely different. And if you aren't going to prove it. shut up and quit being a baby. any time I will embarrass you in the lanes. And if you aren't going to back it up . I don't wanna hear it. You automatically assume I know less due to me promoting bandpass in this situation. I didn't see sq was the big thing. And at any point I said in my opinion.... and if you would educated yourself on what that word means.... you would know means that is what I like. I didn't say anything in any way that said BP was better at SQ. And again put up or shut up. You talk big then won't back it. I doubt you ever have built any musical vehicles doing over a 152 with 1000 watts on a lab...... I am so tired of you feeling the need to put people down. you don't know crap about spl or you would compete. Now it is fine if SQ is your cup of tea. But don't try to judge me on SPL

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

" of course, when I say flatter, I'm only referring to the 20hz-100hz range or so, but that's really where most of the sub response is expected to lie, anyway. Keep in mind that I don't want one I never even considered it: I want the cleaner thump of sealed, but I just wondered."
Ok I do apologize I didn't see this when I had responded the other night. So in that aspect I was incorrect.

Let me get this straight, you didn't see the OP's post before you responded? Is there any end to your idiotic excuses that make no sense? The guy was clearly asking about, and this entire thread has clearly been about, SQ. But you were too busy flexing your internet SPL p33n to notice I guess? Wow, we are all really impressed with your knowledge... on a topic other than what we are discussing. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
Not to mention, why the **** would you be discussing the merits of a wide frequency bandwidth, if you thought the topic was SPL burps? lol Your excuses smell like 3 day old horse shit.

You brought up that you have been in the car scene before I probably was even driving. Perhaps true but that doesn't automatically mean you know more about the subject (I hate when older people assume they know more due to age) I have talked to more than a few people that have worked in car audio for 20 years that didn't know 1/100th about what I know of SPL.

I wasn't talking about my age, you simpleton. let me spell it out for you, I was discussing experience. I was learning about bandpass enclosures at a professional installer school back in... 1991. What were you doing in 1991? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif I guess its only fair for you to bring up your illustrious experience? Hypocrit.
BTW, once again, I give a rat's *** what you thin k you know about SPL. This discussion is not about SPL no matter how much you want it to be.

" And if you aren't going to prove it. shut up and quit being a baby. any time I will embarrass you in the lanes. And if you aren't going to back it up . I don't wanna hear it.

*yawn* Wow, you are really getting under my skin now. lol Yeah, your ignorant *** would embarrass me. No, it wouldn't, because I care less about SPL, and you wont ever find me there.
You talk alot of shit about your trophy, yet you always dodge my questions about if you did your own installs. Perhaps being a straight SPL competitor you might be competent, but Im seeing you attempt to repond to questions that are outside that field (like this one) and frankly, you fall flat on your face. Embarrassing? Ha. The only embarrassment here is yours, for being called out on your questionable (at best) information. Obviously. Or are you gonna tell me you are getting defensive now too? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif the truth is you cant back up your claims here, so you think I'll follow you to some lame-*** SPL event. Ya, good one man, you really taught me. If you want to impress me, or put me in my place, its easy... just be correct.

You automatically assume I know less due to me promoting bandpass in this situation.

I didn't assume anything, I dont even know you. All I had to do was read your own words, and I knew you were full of shit. Your 'oh sorry, I didnt see that the first time' excuse doesn't change that, like you missed the entire first post of the thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif lawl

And at any point I said in my opinion.... and if you would educated yourself on what that word means.... you would know means that is what I like.

Why do you think I care about your opinion? Im not interested in your opinions, which is why I do not bring them up. What I am interested in, and what I do bring up, is your misunderstanding of sealed apps, and their uses within this discussion. You stated you didnt understand why people like the bandwidth of 'a few hundred hertz' that sealed boxes provide, and I stated that your statement proves you are an imbecile. Where's the problem? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I didn't say anything in any way that said BP was better at SQ.

Again, while I give a rat's *** what your opinion is, you DID say this:

Honestly most sealed boxes and be extremely flat over a few hundred hertz which is totally pointless in my opinion.

Pointless? So, you are attempting to convince me that stating a sealed boxes freq bandwidth is 'pointless' while your BP boxes passband is just right, is not you saying BP is better "in any way" at SQ than sealed? Again, if you are the SPL mastah, and you admit you do not understand the resoning behind sealed boxes (pointless, remember) then why the **** are you even talking in this thread? Hey, you won an award burping a test tone through a bandpass box like 3 years ago, lets all bow down and listen to what you have to say about sealed box frequency response now! Again, you seem to think a trophy proves bullshit is correct, it does not. And you wreak of bullshit.

And again put up or shut up. You talk big then won't back it. I doubt you ever have built any musical vehicles doing over a 152 with 1000 watts on a lab...... I am so tired of you feeling the need to put people down.

Oh I see, so I should 'back up my words' by meeting you for some SPL competition in like Indiana? is that how it works? You run your mouth, I call you on the bullshit you spew, and you tell me Im wrong because Im not gonna start competing now? get a grip, you were talking out your ***, and you got called on it. That happens here, plan on it while you are deciding to speak on a topic you know precious little about next time. Or, at least read the first ****ing post. lawl
I dont 'need' to put you down, I just enjoy it.

you don't know crap about spl or you would compete. Now it is fine if SQ is your cup of tea. But don't try to judge me on SPL

I know how to fix my car, but Im not a mechanic. I know how to **** my g/f, but Im not a gigalo. I know how to build amazing sounding car audio systems, but I do not compete. And even if I DID compete, it sure as hell wouldn't be in SPL.
Oh no wait I have an idea, lets meet at the racetrack and see whose car is faster. That'll prove who is right here! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Im not judging that you are an idiot based on SPL, Im judging that you are an idiot based on your own words. Hey Im a fair guy, I always assume people are smart, until they open their mouth. You opened yours, and its been all down hill from there.

Have a nice night.

 

[Duke 10+ year member]

Lawl. Now I know what you meant in that other thread.

 

[vehementSPL 10+ year member]

Very clever reply. And honestly yes I did miss it. I was pretty tired. Now if you would read back a few post ago from me I stated that I designed AND built my vehicles. Now as far as spl only. Actually no. Mine are pretty musical. (at least good enough to suit my needs and better freq range than 80 percent of ported daily systems which isn't bad for a SPL winner. See one thing I never really told ya. I like spl... But I like DAILY musical SPL. I hate one note wonders. Now you may not care. But if you want a loud musical system i assure you that you can not come within 2 db of me. Now lets quit comparing d*ck sizes and get over this. In reference to idiot. I suppose my wording doesn't always come across the best on here... sometimes I have had a few (which I agree isn't always the best to do. kinda leaves you open for judgement)But I have had a "real IQ" test done and I assure you I did pretty well. I don't need to post the score. And I am being honest when I really didn't see it. I probably was in a hurry and didn't pay attention

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Very clever reply. And honestly yes I did miss it. I was pretty tired. Now if you would read back a few post ago from me I stated that I designed AND built my vehicles. Now as far as spl only. Actually no. Mine are pretty musical. (at least good enough to suit my needs and more freq range than 80 percent of ported daily systems which isn't bad for a SPL winner. See one thing I never really told ya. I like spl... But I like DAILY musical SPL. I hate one note wonders. Now you may not care. But if you want a loud musical system i assure you that you can not come within 2 db of me. Now lets quit comparing d*ck sizes and get over this. In reference to idiot. I suppose my wording doesn't always come across the best on here... sometimes I have had a few (which I agree isn't always the best to do. kinda leaves you open for judgement)But I have had a "real IQ" test done and I assure you I did pretty well. I don't need to post the score. And I am being honest when I really didn't see it. I probably was in a hurry and didn't pay attention

Now you are gonna break out the IQ test scores? Dude, you have some serious confidence issues.
You say you missed the first post, and aparently the entire point of the thread... fine. But how can you expect to not catch flack over it then? If anyone was confused here, its been you, obviously.

I cannot come within 2db of you? You cant even admit you were wrong without trying to look tough can you? You have no idea what I own, what I run, or what Im capable of. Your internet SPL tough-talk means jack to me. Again, if you want to put me in my place, try being correct. That's all I ask of you. Try harder next time and maybe we wont have to go through this again.

 

[vehementSPL 10+ year member]

I broke them out only because you called me an idiot. And catch flack why? Yeah you are correct I posted the wrong view on bandpass due to what he was asking. But What I said was true that for majority of bass listeners 25hz with pretty flat response is very acceptable. If I would have seen the 20 to 100hz I wouldnt have said that. Did I post the wrong response to the question YES! That I apologize for. But you feel the need to put me down. And I don't need to know what you own. If you wanna put me in my place come to the lanes and show me. I have always done EXTREMELY efficient designs. Heck I will even take a handicap. I will either use TYPE r's or audiobahn and you can use any subs you would like. But it will be standard meca rules. Will be your time to shine. I should be going for another world record. but hey if it isn't going to be backed lets let it drop. i did agree I made a mistake by not seeing it. But i again stand by that 25hz decently flat is acceptable for most people.If I see you in the lanes great if not. it is what it is. Now back to the subject at hand. Yes from what I have heard a 6th order para done correctly can be COMPLETELY flat from 20/30ish to 100. Now have I replicated NO. But again I have heard it is the way to go.

 

[cad_3326 10+ year member]

Well, thanks to both of you, for trying to help... But ****, there's way too much holiday spirit in the forums today! And a response that is pretty flat down to 25hz would probably work, as I listen to rock music and the system is only for myself. Thanks for your help guys... I'e gotten some useful info, but lets be civil. I appreciate you both.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I broke them out only because you called me an idiot. And catch flack why? Yeah you are correct I posted the wrong view on bandpass due to what he was asking. But What I said was true that for majority of bass listeners 25hz with pretty flat response is very acceptable. If I would have seen the 20 to 100hz I wouldnt have said that. Did I post the wrong response to the question YES! That I apologize for. But you feel the need to put me down. And I don't need to know what you own. If you wanna put me in my place come to the lanes and show me. I have always done EXTREMELY efficient designs. Heck I will even take a handicap. I will either use TYPE r's or audiobahn and you can use any subs you would like. But it will be standard meca rules. Will be your time to shine. I should be going for another world record. but hey if it isn't going to be backed lets let it drop. i did agree I made a mistake by not seeing it. But i again stand by that 25hz decently flat is acceptable for most people.If I see you in the lanes great if not. it is what it is. Now back to the subject at hand. Yes from what I have heard a 6th order para done correctly can be COMPLETELY flat from 20/30ish to 100. Now have I replicated NO. But again I have heard it is the way to go.

You just dont give up, do you? Hey meathead, Im not gonna go start competing in SPL, something I have zero desire to do, just to prove you dont know your *** from a port opening. Get that through your thick skull. If you want to think that somehow vindicates you, be my guest.
But, if you think every time you come here spewing bullshit i'll just back down because, omg, you have a record in MECA, you have another thing coming. Tell you what pal, the next question that comes down the pike about SPL setups with BP, i'll let you field it. But, the next time you spew bullshit again, I will speak up, make no mistake.

MECA champion... lol. You seem to think that makes you special. Ive gone toe to toe here with owners, CEO's, world record holders, and absolutely nobodies. I do not care who Im debating, if they are wrong, they are wrong. You, were wrong, and all you can seem to do about it now is your sabre rattling over some lame *** SPL competition. Again, get a grip.

If I was to build a BP setup that was for resembling any form of SQ setup, I sure as hell wouldn't be looking at 6th order setups. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif You like to talk aout flat responses, and then recommend a 6th order BP.... oooookay.

"But i again stand by that 25hz decently flat is acceptable for most people."

Nobody has ever argued your 25hz comment. Are you sniffing glue?

Lastly, I guess its time I break out ther ace up my sleeve. You talk and talk and talk about flat responses, yet you have no clue. Out-of-car response means jack. Guess what, if you build a system with a flat response from 20-100hz, like the precious BP setup you keep discussing, transfer function is gonna put a nice huge output lump in the lowest occtaves. All the sudden your 'flat response' sounds like *** warmed over. So again, if someone who had any clue had responded about sealed enclosures, instread of mentioning their flat response for 'hundred of hertz', they would be discussing the roll-off response it gives in the lower octaves, and (again) how that generally mates up well to the transfer function of most vehicles, rendering a final freq response, in-car, that is fairly flat. So for all your blabbering about flat response curves out of BP setups, you still fail to see the largest SQ advantage sealed has over BP.

Again, this is a thread about SQ, which you admit you now know. So tell me again why, after realizing you were 110% wrong, you still feel the need to question me, and attempt to draw me into the lanes? Maybe someone is embarrassed about being wrong? Get over it.

If you dont like these little discussions with me, quit speaking on subjects you know precious little about. And, reading the initial post is always a good start towards keeping your foot out of your mouth.