jl hd 1200/1

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

you can find a sundown 3500 around here for 600 or buy 3 new aq 2200 for around 1100 hell even a rockford 2k will go for around 800 im surprised jl hasn't priced themselves out the market yet,who will pay that much for 1000 watts?[/Q
don't matter what jls prices are, they'll outsell these non-mainstream companies any day of the week! not a nut hugger, just stating the facts

Sure they will, and Bose will outsell Denon. Bose is still crap and overpriced. You argument is invalid

 

[robertoyoung08 10+ year member]

Just another obnoxiously overpriced $1200 amp from none other than JL...big whoop
edit: I meant 1200 watt, although I wouldn't be surprised if it cost that much!

....it cost 1000 dollars...overpriced much?

yes il agree 1000 is much overpriced. but jl has always been highl pried.

Really huh? Let me give you one example.
MMats M1400.1D

1400 watts RMS @ 1 ohm (or at 2ohms if you get the .2D model)

As efficient if not more efficient than the JL (that's what MMats is known for)

8" x 9.5" x 2.25"

JL HD1200/1

1200 watts RMS @ 1.5-4ohms

8.29" x 10.74" x 1.93"

So the MMats is more powerful, will sound just as good, probably more efficient, and smaller in almost every way. Best of all, it's $200 cheaper - MMats M1400.1D 1400 RMS at 1 Ohm Class D Digital Mono Subwoofer Amplifier MADE IN THE USA

i dont know **** about MMats amps. if what you claim about them being built and known for quality, then okay you possibly found a comparable amp.

...but **** that thing is ugly.

Those amps look great but as Bobb just pointed out so not worth it...

yes' date=' its small and **** sexii. its small and a great efficient amp, it probably is worth it for someone whos wiling to put out that much cash from an authorized dealer. its just that 90% of members here rather stick with cheaper priced amps. instead of the "mainstream" ****. but we all have to agree that jl along with some of the other big priced amps like mcintosh, audioson and zapco make some of the best amps. just cus sundown, dd and other-like brands make cheaper amps with similar output numbers doesnt mean their quality is as good. i honestly dont know all the math and detailed specifics of amps to compare a bunch of them or get crazy on detailed specs like i know some of you can. but i do know there is a differance in quality of hardware and how they are built and that this can all have an affect on over-all performance and sound quality. and obviously while we can find compareably priced amps, some of these bigger names do make better quality stuff.

Or how about this? Smaller than the JL, more powerful, and less than half the price! Massive Audio N3 Nano Monoblock 2800W Max Amplifier

this one really does look like a great little amp. but i dont think you could compare it to jl quality

You could also strap 2 of these for 1000 watts RMS and $360 - VIBE Audio LiteBox Bass 1 (LiteBox1) Monoblock Car Amplifier

also a nice little amp that i would gladly use.... on a budget system or my **** gfs build.

nowhere near in the neighborhood of jl

Need I continue? lol
I'd own an HD amp, but I'd never buy one if that makes sense. Great amps, Just WAY overpriced.

id also gladly own any HD amp, but your right, they are way overpriced (for my budgets at least) which is why i dont own any HD amps, or any JL amp for that matter. if you look at my sig, i run sundown right now. and i love it. gets the job done and it only cost me like 200 bucks for 1200 watts rms. so great amp i have. im not all over JL's nuts, but i do appreciate good quality built hardware when i see it. id ******* love to run a zapco, ive always wanted to run one actually, but i never have cus of the prices on those things.

i really love the size of the HD. how beautiful it looks and how well im sure its built, but i wont buy one for 1000 either. im just waiting on this puppy to come out so it can start being on the market and hopefully i can buy one used or off of ebay for a few hundred less. =D

btw.. that massive amp does look pretty attractive due to price and specs. i have it in mind now, cus im looking to save trunk space now, my sundown is pretty big.

but eeh im iffy on it and skeptical, i wouldnt jump right on it for my vehicle. i guess i need to look more into it. reviews look good.

 

[robertoyoung08 10+ year member]

Again, you can find a better deal on the MMats. The others are priced at what they are. Everything will still be cheaper than the JL, and as good if not better. You say you're not a JL nuthugger, but if you still think the HD 1200/1 is a good deal after what I showed you, than you most certainly are.

i dont think anyone is bragging about the 1200/1 being a good deal. cus obviously for most of us who are NOT rich, its not. so i dont think anyone is arguing about it being a good deal, and neither am i. im just saying its a good amp that ive been anticipated... minus the price tag on it

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

yes il agree 1000 is much overpriced. but jl has always been highl pried.

If it's OVERpriced, then it's obviously not worth it. If it's EXPENSIVE, then it's worth it if you can afford it.

i dont know **** about MMats amps. if what you claim about them being built and known for quality, then okay you possibly found a comparable amp.
...but **** that thing is ugly.

Definitely not a looker, that one. But it's built in the U.S.A., unlike the JL. MUCH better quality than the JL.

yes, its small and **** sexii. its small and a great efficient amp, it probably is worth it for someone whos wiling to put out that much cash from an authorized dealer. its just that 90% of members here rather stick with cheaper priced amps. instead of the "mainstream" ****. but we all have to agree that jl along with some of the other big priced amps like mcintosh, audioson and zapco make some of the best amps. just cus sundown, dd and other-like brands make cheaper amps with similar output numbers doesnt mean their quality is as good. i honestly dont know all the math and detailed specifics of amps to compare a bunch of them or get crazy on detailed specs like i know some of you can. but i do know there is a differance in quality of hardware and how they are built and that this can all have an affect on over-all performance and sound quality. and obviously while we can find compareably priced amps, some of these bigger names do make better quality stuff.

JL isn't near the same league as Audison, Mcintosh, etc. You are confusing price with quality. Price is not always directly correlated with quality, and this is a perfect example. JL charges so much for their equipment because through their expert advertisement, they have the ability to so and still make a profit. Their amps aren't any better than MMats amps, but JL has their name out there, while MMats doesn't.

I already mentioned Bose before...they use some of the worst quality components and drivers, and invest a little into the enclosure design and directional technology. In the end, they make terrible speakers and charge a million for them. Their $1000 system isn't even near as good as a $500 setup from Yamaha. But Bose will still sell millions. When someone enters the home audio industry, the very first company they consider to be quality is Bose. This is true 90% of the time. Why? Advertising. They hype up their products, give them a quality "feel", and advertise EVERYWHERE. It's genius, but deceitful.

this one really does look like a great little amp. but i dont think you could compare it to jl quality

And why don't you think it compares to JL quality? Because it doesn't cost as much? It's not as good looking? It doesn't have a JL badge on it?

also a nice little amp that i would gladly use.... on a budget system or my **** gfs build.nowhere near in the neighborhood of jl

Again, why is this nowhere near in the neighborhood of JL? You do know that this amp is practically the exact same as the Arc Audio Mini-series amps right?

id also gladly own any HD amp, but your right, they are way overpriced (for my budgets at least) which is why i dont own any HD amps, or any JL amp for that matter. if you look at my sig, i run sundown right now. and i love it. gets the job done and it only cost me like 200 bucks for 1200 watts rms. so great amp i have. im not all over JL's nuts, but i do appreciate good quality built hardware when i see it. id ******* love to run a zapco, ive always wanted to run one actually, but i never have cus of the prices on those things.
i really love the size of the HD. how beautiful it looks and how well im sure its built, but i wont buy one for 1000 either. im just waiting on this puppy to come out so it can start being on the market and hopefully i can buy one used or off of ebay for a few hundred less. =D

btw.. that massive amp does look pretty attractive due to price and specs. i have it in mind now, cus im looking to save trunk space now, my sundown is pretty big.

but eeh im iffy on it and skeptical, i wouldnt jump right on it for my vehicle. i guess i need to look more into it. reviews look good.

If it's overpriced, then that means that comparable amps can be bought for less. Don't waste your money.

 

[Imtjnotu 5,000+ posts]

im tired of noob ***** coming in here thinking jl is god and that there shiit is worth the money....jl is over priced by alot..ofcourse u have never heard of mmats and thats because all noobs think mainstream is the best stuff around....ITS NOT there are subs for half the price that will whoop the DUB 7 up and down the street and there are amps from non main stream companys that will put any jl amp to shame and stick it in the corner till its learned its lesson

seriously bro save ur self some cash and stay away from jl for now...

 

[PPI_GUY 10+ year member]

Well, looking at the JL specs vs. MA specs, the JL wins hands down. Why? Because of the R.I.P.S technology. MA N3 makes 450 watts @ 4 ohms. The JL makes 1200 @ 1.5-4 ohm load. It also will make that power at only 11 volts whereas the MA needs 14.4 volts. What does that tell you?

Bottomline is JL makes really nice stuff. Now, you may not like their prices or you may just be a JL-hater because they are the big, mainstream brand. However, you would be hardpressed to point to something in the their catalog and say it was junk. Someone made the claim that MMATS was "MUCH better quality" because it is made in the US. Really? Can you prove that by quoting an A/B comparison test?

Is JL the end-all, be-all? No, of course not. But, dogging a manufacturer because of their prices isn't a real convincing argument either.

 

[cjj2d 10+ year member]

Again, you can find a better deal on the MMats. The others are priced at what they are. Everything will still be cheaper than the JL, and as good if not better. You say you're not a JL nuthugger, but if you still think the HD 1200/1 is a good deal after what I showed you, than you most certainly are.

no I am not a JL nuthugger, never said I was. I also never said anything about the 1200/1, i just simply stated that you can find JL stuff at decent prices. I feel that the 900/5 is a **** good amp, show me another 5 channel amp with that kind of power, efficiency, foot print, etc.... I also agree that a lot of their stuff is pricey, do they make good quality ****, yes they do. Is it over priced, very easily so. I have used many of their products before and have always had great success and experience with them.

If I were going for a large amount of power again, I would seek out another PPI PC2350. Absolutely loved that amp as well as many of the original PPI PC series amps.

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

The biggest selling point of any product forsale in the history of products being sold is the price //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif...

 

[Ge_off_me 5,000+ posts]

Stetsom V 1K5 H 1 or 2 Ohm - SSA STORE

Just sayin....

 

[Ge_off_me 5,000+ posts]

no I am not a JL nuthugger, never said I was. I also never said anything about the 1200/1, i just simply stated that you can find JL stuff at decent prices. I feel that the 900/5 is a **** good amp, show me another 5 channel amp with that kind of power, efficiency, foot print, etc.... I also agree that a lot of their stuff is pricey, do they make good quality ****, yes they do. Is it over priced, very easily so. I have used many of their products before and have always had great success and experience with them.
If I were going for a large amount of power again, I would seek out another PPI PC2350. Absolutely loved that amp as well as many of the original PPI PC series amps.

The ED Nine.5...... One of the best 5 channels ever built

Massive also makes a 5 channel nano IIRC

 

[Shinju 10+ year member]

Well, looking at the JL specs vs. MA specs, the JL wins hands down. Why? Because of the R.I.P.S technology. MA N3 makes 450 watts @ 4 ohms. The JL makes 1200 @ 1.5-4 ohm load. It also will make that power at only 11 volts whereas the MA needs 14.4 volts. What does that tell you? Bottomline is JL makes really nice stuff. Now, you may not like their prices or you may just be a JL-hater because they are the big, mainstream brand. However, you would be hardpressed to point to something in the their catalog and say it was junk. Someone made the claim that MMATS was "MUCH better quality" because it is made in the US. Really? Can you prove that by quoting an A/B comparison test?

Is JL the end-all, be-all? No, of course not. But, dogging a manufacturer because of their prices isn't a real convincing argument either.

I was going to say the samething.

 

[Shinju 10+ year member]

The ED Nine.5...... One of the best 5 channels ever built
Massive also makes a 5 channel nano IIRC

Not by a long shot bro, For the price its a good amp, There are 5 channels out there that will leave the nine5 in the dust.

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

You JL bashers are the idiots.

Its like saying you shouldnt buy a Lexus because a Toyota costs less and can still get you from point A-B. While this is true to some extent, the fact is the Lexus is still nicer, and some people like nicer ****.

Ever heard of build quality? Fit/finish? JL is excellent.

 

[Shinju 10+ year member]

I know the old JL slash series amps were designed by the guy who did the Xtant M series amps atleast thats what I was reading back when they first hit the market.

If you look at a Slash series internally you will see a lot of simularities in design.

Slash amps were solid prices yes but solid.

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

You JL bashers are the idiots.
Its like saying you shouldnt buy a Lexus because a Toyota costs less and can still get you from point A-B. While this is true to some extent, the fact is the Lexus is still nicer, and some people like nicer ****.

Ever heard of build quality? Fit/finish? JL is excellent.

Well thats all well and good but when you can have a Mercedes (just an example lol) for half the price of the Lexus... what would you take?

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

Well thats all well and good but when you can have a Mercedes (just an example lol) for half the price of the Lexus... what would you take?

I dont see your point here.

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

Any other amp (AKA Mercedes) that will make those numbers or more and built just as solid for cheaper...

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

Any other amp (AKA Mercedes) that will make those numbers or more and built just as solid for cheaper...

So just because an amp is cheaper and may make more power that its automatically better? Even in terms of build quality? Are you serious? Really?

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

Ummmm if an amp is cheaper makes more power and is better build quality and the specsare better or equal... then yes imo it is better... tell me in what way is that logic flawed? Look at DD amps for example, Id bet they are way better amps the JL and you could have ton more power for a 1000 dollars from DD then JL...

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

Ummmm if an amp is cheaper makes more power and is better build quality and the specsare better or equal... then yes imo it is better... tell me in what way is that logic flawed? Look at DD amps for example' date=' Id bet they are way better amps the JL and you could have ton more power for a 1000 dollars from DD then JL...[/quote']
You really dont understand anything. I bet you cant even comprehend the analogy I made earlier.

I use simple analogy's to ATTEMPT to get you idiots to SOMEWHAT understand why JL costs more than others, yet you STILL think that price/power ratio means everything! It simply blows my mind how stupid the general car audio hobbyist is! Holy *****!