AlterEgo99
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Streaming consciousness
Nah brah, been doin' this for years...I've got a system. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif
AlterEgo99
audioholic
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Im honestly surprised this thread has lasted for multiple pages. There's a reason not one person decides what the ideal balance between price and quality is, because that's a subjective comparison and the answer is biased by relativity of your wealth and knowledge/passion for that product.
Perfect example, the JL 1000/1. Its always suggested its over priced, and even in this thread its been implied that its just another mediocre amplifier. Say what you want about JL, but their slash series of amplifiers are built for SQ. Yes, they are expensive, proprietary products with tech or properties outside the norm tend to be expensive. And yes, the slash series are inefficient, they were designed to be. On purpose. Think of a true class-A amplifier, high fidelity right? A class-A is highly inefficient too, for the same reason, a highly regulated power supply. As someone else suggested earlier in the thread, this is done to give the amplifier stable input current. So the slash series of amps is fairly unique these days. But because JL is so hated here, that is never mentioned, all people talk about is they are overpriced and overhyped etc, because they are mainstream.
The MSRP price debate here. Ive said this before and Im sure I'll say it many more times in the future, imo local shops need to realize their portion of the industry is moving away from retail sales (not completely, but less retail sales), and moving more towards a labor based business (installs, testing, repairs, etc). The internet is here to stay, and that genie cant be put back into the bottle. Resisting it will only lead to problems, accepting it and altering your business to adapt to the changing market is the smartest approach. Ive heard many times of local shops refusing to install equipment that was purchased online, that's a business simply cutting its own throat. Custom fiberglass work, custom enclosures for whatever subwoofers a customer brings in, supporting DIY'ers when they come in for wire or crimps or even just for an answer to a question... these will be the bread 'n butter of a successful shop in the age of internet sales.
One of the things I hated about the old days, was those 'cheater amps'. It was an absurd situation of the tail wagging the dog. The popular competing entity of the time would have rules that rated amplifier power at 4ohms, so manufacturers would literally lie and rate their amps at like 50watts at 4ohms, but 1500 watts at 1ohm or something crazy. Or amps that were way underrated, but wink wink nudge nudge they actually do way more power. WTF kind of professionalism is that? lol SoundStream went even one step further by offering an amplifier with absolutely no power rating what so ever, and launched a relatively large ad campaign flaunting it. The 'lil wonder'. At the time, before anyone had benched one, you had no idea what you were getting if you bought one. Unless you were one of the elite few in the know, on their team, or otherwise privy to the information. It never ceased to amaze me that SS would bastardize a national advertising campaign, and product, just to thumb their noses at some relatively obscure competition organization. Its my opinion that at that time, many manufacturers placed too much emphasis on car audio competitions driving their sales, just like CA&E magazine went out of business because everyone got tired of looking at $100k installs every month. *shrug*
Just some random thoughts and rants based on this thread's replies.
Perfect example, the JL 1000/1. Its always suggested its over priced, and even in this thread its been implied that its just another mediocre amplifier. Say what you want about JL, but their slash series of amplifiers are built for SQ. Yes, they are expensive, proprietary products with tech or properties outside the norm tend to be expensive. And yes, the slash series are inefficient, they were designed to be. On purpose. Think of a true class-A amplifier, high fidelity right? A class-A is highly inefficient too, for the same reason, a highly regulated power supply. As someone else suggested earlier in the thread, this is done to give the amplifier stable input current. So the slash series of amps is fairly unique these days. But because JL is so hated here, that is never mentioned, all people talk about is they are overpriced and overhyped etc, because they are mainstream.
The MSRP price debate here. Ive said this before and Im sure I'll say it many more times in the future, imo local shops need to realize their portion of the industry is moving away from retail sales (not completely, but less retail sales), and moving more towards a labor based business (installs, testing, repairs, etc). The internet is here to stay, and that genie cant be put back into the bottle. Resisting it will only lead to problems, accepting it and altering your business to adapt to the changing market is the smartest approach. Ive heard many times of local shops refusing to install equipment that was purchased online, that's a business simply cutting its own throat. Custom fiberglass work, custom enclosures for whatever subwoofers a customer brings in, supporting DIY'ers when they come in for wire or crimps or even just for an answer to a question... these will be the bread 'n butter of a successful shop in the age of internet sales.
One of the things I hated about the old days, was those 'cheater amps'. It was an absurd situation of the tail wagging the dog. The popular competing entity of the time would have rules that rated amplifier power at 4ohms, so manufacturers would literally lie and rate their amps at like 50watts at 4ohms, but 1500 watts at 1ohm or something crazy. Or amps that were way underrated, but wink wink nudge nudge they actually do way more power. WTF kind of professionalism is that? lol SoundStream went even one step further by offering an amplifier with absolutely no power rating what so ever, and launched a relatively large ad campaign flaunting it. The 'lil wonder'. At the time, before anyone had benched one, you had no idea what you were getting if you bought one. Unless you were one of the elite few in the know, on their team, or otherwise privy to the information. It never ceased to amaze me that SS would bastardize a national advertising campaign, and product, just to thumb their noses at some relatively obscure competition organization. Its my opinion that at that time, many manufacturers placed too much emphasis on car audio competitions driving their sales, just like CA&E magazine went out of business because everyone got tired of looking at $100k installs every month. *shrug*
Just some random thoughts and rants based on this thread's replies.
sundownz
Pro Seller
Supporting Vendor
The mistake you are making is assuming that WE get 800 dollars for the amp. We don't.
Dealers get 800 dollars for the amp.
CAT MAN
5,000+ posts
Banned
well tell me what you get and i will buy accordingly ... =p
sundownz
Pro Seller
Supporting Vendor
*laughs* That defeats the purpose of having a dealer network //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
We chose from the beginning to be a dealer based company and have stuck to it. I hear it 100 times a day from online guys about "price this" and "price that" -- that is how our business model works and it's been successful. We have distributors, dealers, reps, etc that have work due to this model.
There is a place for both direct online models and also dealer based models in business.
We chose from the beginning to be a dealer based company and have stuck to it. I hear it 100 times a day from online guys about "price this" and "price that" -- that is how our business model works and it's been successful. We have distributors, dealers, reps, etc that have work due to this model.
There is a place for both direct online models and also dealer based models in business.
CAT MAN
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thats too bad... from now on ill just go to Dj when i need to borrow a 4500 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
no offense meant
ahole-ic
Banned
If you think anyone is going to tell you what they have in a product you're high. DJ doesn't and makes a pretty penny off of you too.
CAT MAN
5,000+ posts
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LOL hence why it was a sarcastic statement. I also said ''borrowed'' from Dj. not buy.
CL1CKCLACK
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CarAudio.com Boss
trolls be trollin haaaard
AlterEgo99
5,000+ posts
Streaming consciousness
Love the JL Slash series...unfortunately they don't fit in my current ride. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif Had to get Alpine PDX series instead.
CAT MAN
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also sent you an email regarding a recone //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
Canaan
10+ year member
Beatin' the block down
Jacob,
Speaking on behave of everyone here at Desiard St. Pawn and Car Audio. Thank you 100X over for supporting your dealer network.
We have been very happy with the products you have provided us. And we are proud to offer them to our customers.
Looking forward to the launch of E-series subs for tax-return season. I am sure that they will be a big hit for our budget minded customers.
I'm sure that my table saw will be working overtime this spring...lmao.
Man what would you kids have done when $1/watt was cheap?
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