Is this good enough for my Imagines???

[RoYALbLUE08 10+ year member]

First: Nice way to bypass the profanity filter. I figured someone would make this exact type of comment, but I didn't think it would be directed at a well-respected brand.
Second: Clipping is not our enemy in the sense that clipping = instant damage. Too much clipping over an extended period of time is the enemy. If you're tuning for absolutely 0 clipping you're not getting the most out of your system. A lot of people actually prefer some audible distortion, but it's called "coloration" or "warmth".

Third: Passive crossovers are still going strong.

and thank you for the most useful post. so im gonna get a pair of regular crossovers and just tune it that way. ill go active in the future once i learn more about it and gain more knowledge in the car audio world

 

[nateberrier 10+ year member]

[quote name='trumpet']First: Nice way to bypass the profanity filter. I figured someone would make this exact type of comment, but I didn't think it would be directed at a well-respected brand.

Second: Clipping is not our enemy in the sense that clipping = instant damage. Too much clipping over an extended period of time is the enemy. If you're tuning for absolutely 0 clipping you're not getting the most out of your system. A lot of people actually prefer some audible distortion, but it's called "coloration" or "warmth".

Third: Passive crossovers are still going strong.[/QUOTE]

You must be new here scooter.

If you are running a lot of power and you clip just a little bit you are gonna smoke little speakers like mids or tweeters. Most folks who clip their amps cant do it for an extended period of time because their shit blows. You might be able to do it with 100 rms on a pair of sony xplods but not with 1500 rms. YOu might be able to do it with a head unit pushing 15 watts but not with a big 4channel moving 150 watts.

Running an amp with the gains below where they need to be is called having some head room. its easier on the amp, your electrical, and safe for the speakers. Setting an amp with an OSCOPE will ensure you reach the amps max potential without clipping. I am personally okay with not using that .05% of the amp to avoid clipping.

Damn are you really in here suggesting people clip their amps? Coloration and or Warmth is not clipping and distortion does not equal clipping.

Plenty of folks still use passive xovers, but if you're going to spend 500 bucks on drivers you might as well run them active and take full advantage of them.

Kenwood makes okay products at best and there is nothing inherently wrong with that amp, but again you dont put walmart rims on a ferrari.

Any more questions big steeze?


On a different note @RoYALbLUE08 you can absolutely run active with an amps built in crossovers. Gimme a budget and Ill find you one. I have a rockford t8004 for sale, but it is probably too large/

 

[Imtjnotu 5,000+ posts]

Lol clipping not your enemy what the fuckk did I just read

 

[Ge_off_me 5,000+ posts]

Noobs will be noobs lol

Clipping is sending a square wave signal to the speaker. This is by no means a good thing. It may not instantly damage a speaker, but the heat it causes can damage a speaker over time. Clipping causes distortion as well, and not the warm distortion that is caused by using tube amplifiers.

Passive crossovers are for the lazy dumba$$es that can't figure out how to go active or people that just don't give a fuck

 

[TheUnderFighter 10+ year member]

So say I have the SK80.4 from SKAR and I have the tweets on the first 2 channels, and the mids on the last 2 is that active? (or related)

Yes, the Skar 4 channel is active capable.

 

[Imtjnotu 5,000+ posts]

Noobs will be noobs lol
Clipping is sending a square wave signal to the speaker. This is by no means a good thing. It may not instantly damage a speaker, but the heat it causes can damage a speaker over time. Clipping causes distortion as well, and not the warm distortion that is caused by using tube amplifiers.

Passive crossovers are for the lazy dumba$$es that can't figure out how to go active or people that just don't give a fuck

Put me in the lazy and don't give a a fuckk category.... Too lazy to run more speaker wire

 

[RoYALbLUE08 10+ year member]

[quote name='nateberrier']You must be new here scooter.

If you are running a lot of power and you clip just a little bit you are gonna smoke little speakers like mids or tweeters. Most folks who clip their amps cant do it for an extended period of time because their shit blows. You might be able to do it with 100 rms on a pair of sony xplods but not with 1500 rms. YOu might be able to do it with a head unit pushing 15 watts but not with a big 4channel moving 150 watts.

Running an amp with the gains below where they need to be is called having some head room. its easier on the amp, your electrical, and safe for the speakers. Setting an amp with an OSCOPE will ensure you reach the amps max potential without clipping. I am personally okay with not using that .05% of the amp to avoid clipping.

Damn are you really in here suggesting people clip their amps? Coloration and or Warmth is not clipping and distortion does not equal clipping.

Plenty of folks still use passive xovers, but if you're going to spend 500 bucks on drivers you might as well run them active and take full advantage of them.

Kenwood makes okay products at best and there is nothing inherently wrong with that amp, but again you dont put walmart rims on a ferrari.

Any more questions big steeze?


On a different note @RoYALbLUE08 you can absolutely run active with an amps built in crossovers. Gimme a budget and Ill find you one. I have a rockford t8004 for sale, but it is probably too large/[/QUOTE]

right now my budget is around 200 bucks. i spent over 1000 on my audio already and 2500 on my car for mods. im kinda in a whole but i want the best sound i can get for now.

right now i have my alpine 1043d (type r) running off a wack alpine mpr-m500 at 2 ohms

 

[RoYALbLUE08 10+ year member]

Noobs will be noobs lol
Clipping is sending a square wave signal to the speaker. This is by no means a good thing. It may not instantly damage a speaker, but the heat it causes can damage a speaker over time. Clipping causes distortion as well, and not the warm distortion that is caused by using tube amplifiers.

Passive crossovers are for the lazy dumba$$es that can't figure out how to go active or people that just don't give a fuck

so help me go active !!!! lol im new to car audio world but not to electronics. im a quick learner and a DIY'er

 

[Ge_off_me 5,000+ posts]

lol Nate and I will more than likely have the same advice, and since he offered first, I would take him up on the offer haha. $200 should be plenty to get a nice active amp though.

 

[RoYALbLUE08 10+ year member]

lol Nate and I will more than likely have the same advice, and since he offered first, I would take him up on the offer haha. $200 should be plenty to get a nice active amp though.

well thats good! whats some good ones for my imagines

 

[nateberrier 10+ year member]

THis is probably your best budget amp. MB Quart ONX4.125 - 1000W RMS ONYX 4-Channel Car Amplifier/Amp

Audio crossover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RoYALbLUE08 10+ year member]

that amp looks promising. i think i will go with that. i just need to sell my kenwood =/ ill sell it for cheap if anyone wants i need to make a for sale thread

 

[RoYALbLUE08 10+ year member]

ONE MORE QUESTION!!

sorry guys lol

how will i run an active crossover when im running off my factory unit to my audiocontrol LC2i? would that mean i dont need my Lc2i anymore and the crossover will replace it? because thats how i tap into signal

 

[trumpet 5,000+ posts]

THis is probably your best budget amp. MB Quart ONX4.125 - 1000W RMS ONYX 4-Channel Car Amplifier/Amp

The ONYX amps have been known to blow tweeters when run active. They apparently have a design flaw.

 

[trumpet 5,000+ posts]

I'm willing to admit my response about clipping is not perfect, and so we're all on the same page, here's what I'm reviewing for the nth time to refresh my knowledge. This video is from a JL Audio training session originally put together by Manville Smith. The link below starts at the point where clipping is discussed in depth.