Is this a common practice for Midbass

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

The L3 is a nice little speaker. But it's BOOOORINGGGGGG! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Nice install on those kicks xtreme. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Oh and I put my midbass in my headrest, is that bad? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

The L3 is a nice little speaker. But it's BOOOORINGGGGGG! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif
Nice install on those kicks xtreme. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Oh and I put my midbass in my headrest, is that bad? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

whats boring about them? cause i was looking into them a few months ago.

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

For all interested in kickpanel speaker location this is a very good read and very informative.

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5664

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

The L3 is a nice little speaker. But it's BOOOORINGGGGGG! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif
Nice install on those kicks xtreme. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Oh and I put my midbass in my headrest, is that bad? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Actually that is Scott Buwalda's car. I just posted the pic LOL

You wouldn't believe some of the guys that have asked me about putting speakers in their seats.....

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

whats boring about them? cause i was looking into them a few months ago.

They are definately neat little drivers. I have listened to a few sets of them and honestly for a 3" they do very well. It isn't really the sound I prefer though. All of the ones that I listened to didn't sound "real" if you know what I mean. The vehicles they are in win multiple sq competitions though

 

[Gary S 10+ year member]

He runs his midrange up pretty high up in the 6-8k region if I'm not mistaken so I don't think the has a problem. His cars usually do very well. I know he's got multiple World Championships. I personally just sit in the vehicle with some tape and listen in different locations until I get the best spot LOL

- Yes, I think he likes to put the tweeters up high, such as in the A-pillars, to raise the apparent sound stage. But I think there are some compromises made having the drivers separated so much, and driver-to-driver distance ratios so different, not to mention the high crossover point. I like a point source aproach... high dispersion, wide-band drivers close together with reasonably low crossover points. His drivers are built right, I just don't like the crossovers and tweeter placement.

It is possible to get a high sound-stage, say, around ear level or above the dash, and a sound stage as wide as the side mirrors with front mid and tweets solely in the kicks.

Also - yes, with his crossover so high, he can get away with having the tweeters high and away from the mids... the most critical region for spacial cues is in the midrange, particularly up to about 7k... notice that his crossover point is right in that neighborhood. But it will still compromise the sound quality in other areas to some degree.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

right now i have my mids in the doors and tweets in the pillars. I have wanting to go 3 way for a while, and still intend on doing so. right now i music level is above dash. I get mild separation, but knowing going active 3-way might actually resolve this issue and bring soundstage a little higher and further back. I am trying to do all research as possible. When getting the midrange i was thinking to go domes because they have a better offaxis response so i can mount them a little more "cosmetically-fitting". Any suggestions, i was looking into the iridiums 3" mids.

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

right now i have my mids in the doors and tweets in the pillars. I have wanting to go 3 way for a while, and still intend on doing so. right now i music level is above dash. I get mild separation, but knowing going active 3-way might actually resolve this issue and bring soundstage a little higher and further back. I am trying to do all research as possible. When getting the midrange i was thinking to go domes because they have a better offaxis response so i can mount them a little more "cosmetically-fitting". Any suggestions, i was looking into the iridiums 3" mids.

Well....usually domes can't extend very low in the frequency range compared to a cone driver. I know when I had my Dyn System 360 in my truck with the dome mid and tweet in the kick and the midbass in the doors I had good height until a male voice or drum kick would come in. Then the stage would lower on the left or right side to around even with the top of the door. I loved the way that they sounded but not everything was coming from above the dash. I think the factory crosover point was set at 900 hz @ 6db/octave for the midrange. I played around with it active and lowering the crossover points and increasing slopes and all that but it never worked out very well in my truck. Each vehicle is different and I think they do work pretty well in cars if you can get them close enough to the midbass driver. In my particular truck the midbass was probably 8" higher and 8-10" closer than the mid and tweet so it caused some separation problems. As soon as I get out of college and buy a car I'm going to try to use them in there since I already have them.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

well i like Jan's gti how her BE mids are in the a pillar right below the BE tickers. I may try that idea and hope it works well in my accord, i may do a dry run first to see if it sounds good, actually I'll probably try a variety of placements. I am probably either going to the domes or save up more and get the Hertz mille planers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif. but i would probably have to cross the mids a bit higher

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

I've seen some dome midranges put in the a-pillars but from what I understand it is a tricky thing to do right. Normally you would want a single point source for a driver and with her midrange I'm sure she is able to run it down into the 150-200hz range whereas a dome can't go that low and there would be a separation problem. The main reason for wanting to do kick panels is to keep the path length between the speakers to a minimum. Either way I would definately recommend trying different locations. It does take more time but why not get the best location from the beginning.

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

Megalomaniac -You should check this out if you haven't. It get in-depth about kickpanels, tweeters in a-pillar and separation of tweets in the a-pillar and mids in the kicks.

xtremekustomzDid you check this out yet. It has some great info that also discusses some of what you have spoke of. Pathlegnths ect.

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5664

 

[Hebrew Hammer 10+ year member]

Only problem I see with that is if the driver side is the same then the sense of feel/touch. That mid-bass firing into you leg you would feel it allowing you to localize it. If had alot of authority it cold cuase a huge problem. Once you localize it, it would cause major problems in the front sound stage. It would pull your attention toward it.IMO
Just me .2 cents.

right on dude...finally people are starting to listen to a brotha...

acouple of things..

localization queues from both tactile energy transfer and visual is something you'll never get past with this location.

also width queues which the majority of them are in the midbass region would **** with a driver mounted almost center of the car...

PLD's ****.....

I can't stress placing drivers as far and as wide as you can...this truly does pay off...

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

I am trying to come along for the ride. Couple more months and get to put all this new knowledge to use on the new SQ comp car build. I just hope I get the equipment I have chosen to work the way I want. If not run it the 1st season then switch to something new.

Thanks for all the help so far Hebrew. You see some of the stuff I learned so far.