incriminator vs aq

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

Mehhh

 

[disturbed471985 5,000+ posts]

I can not go into any details regarding design or building of those drivers. Sorry.

I can respect that but even u can say that the 1500 and the z do not use the same parts. That's no secret it obvious as all H ell

 

[brodeisel 10+ year member]

i would like to get some ia lethal injection subs some time.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I can respect that but even u can say that the 1500 and the z do not use the same parts. That's no secret it obvious as all H ell

To be honest I really can not say more then what I said.

Glue on the coil and DD logo...everything else is up for public debate i guess.

 

[disturbed471985 5,000+ posts]

To be honest I really can not say more then what I said.
Glue on the coil and DD logo...everything else is up for public debate i guess.

LOL I knew that would be your answer. Never bad mouth anything. Good man...

 

[sacsking916 5,000+ posts]

Mehhh

my intital response all along since the debate started lulz

 

[surreal 10+ year member]

Got bass, concerning your post on the second page about 'lacking upper end' and everything. Rabbit is absolutely correct. While the driver its self obviously will have its natural tendencies, the enclosure is ultimately what determines output and sound. Lacking upper end would be a good characteristic of say, a commonly oversized/bottom heavy enclosure and just not built or oriented correctly for the best response within the vehicle.

While i am an IA dealer. The death row and HDC are both wonderful subs. In terms ofquality, i would personally feel safer with an IA product. The DP would of course be my first choice if the budget allows. You cant go wrong either way, but you can choose what fits best.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

Got bass, concerning your post on the second page about 'lacking upper end' and everything. Rabbit is absolutely correct. While the driver its self obviously will have its natural tendencies, the enclosure is ultimately what determines output and sound. Lacking upper end would be a good characteristic of say, a commonly oversized/bottom heavy enclosure and just not built or oriented correctly for the best response within the vehicle.
While i am an IA dealer. The death row and HDC are both wonderful subs. In terms ofquality, i would personally feel safer with an Is product. The DP would of course be my first choice if the budget allows. You cant go wrong either way, but you can choose what fits best.

Lets go a little deeper into the enclosure.

There are a few things to remember when dealing with response curves and such. One if you want a nice smooth response you will lose some of your over all potential out put because the enclosure will not have any or much of a peak anywhere. This is a good thing, but for many of you it is not.

When adjusting the tuning of enclosures there is give/take that you must account for and expect. If you are wanting to play bass that will flex the car but you won't hear, depending on the driver and application you very well may lose some of the upper range.

Just like with building subs. You can not always have your cake and eat too. I wish it worked that way but it just does not. I'm not saying you can not get a happy medium in there at all, as that is why I generally try to find for most. However, in some applications there is not a "middle ground".

Just remember that application is everything and that sound is relative to who heard that sound. Also, just because it should play a flat response does not mean that to YOU it will. Humans are human and we have a tone of flaws. A hearing system that covers things very well and yet distorts others is one of them.

 

[Nut Hair Trick 10+ year member]

I'm still in the learning process on response curves and have a few questions. Of course I want to get the the flattest response as possible and in order to do this with my sub, I am having to build a box as small as possible while tuning as low as possible. I also want to keep the group delay down as low as possible, with clean output, but at the same time, I still want my low end to be loud. What would be a good compromise at fb as far as gain is concerned so its not too peaky but still produce good enough output for my goals?

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

I'm still in the learning process on response curves and have a few questions. Of course I want to get the the flattest response as possible and in order to do this with my sub, I am having to build a box as small as possible while tuning as low as possible. I also want to keep the group delay down as low as possible, with clean output, but at the same time, I still want my low end to be loud. What would be a good compromise at fb as far as gain is concerned so its not too peaky but still produce good enough output for my goals?

Get an SPL meter first. There is no substitute for just building a ton of different boxes, different sizes, different tunings, different port sizes,all different orientations in your car. You'd be amazed what any given sub can do and the variety of different types of response you can get...even same box just pointed a different direction can be dramatic.

I'd be leary of AQ just because of the common spider failure issue and the companie's hit or miss approach to handling the warranty. The only AQ I've ever seen around here had a spider issue and I seem to read a lot about them failing and AQ uses the "break in" boogeyman arguement to not honor warranty. Just keep it in mind that you may get one that'll work forever and perform well, but you have fair odds of getting a dud and having to come out of pocket to recone it.

 

[Bass Addict 10+ year member]

Got bass, concerning your post on the second page about 'lacking upper end' and everything. Rabbit is absolutely correct. While the driver its self obviously will have its natural tendencies, the enclosure is ultimately what determines output and sound. Lacking upper end would be a good characteristic of say, a commonly oversized/bottom heavy enclosure and just not built or oriented correctly for the best response within the vehicle.
While i am an IA dealer. The death row and HDC are both wonderful subs. In terms ofquality, i would personally feel safer with an IA product. The DP would of course be my first choice if the budget allows. You cant go wrong either way, but you can choose what fits best.

what im after is a sub that can hold at least 1500 rms watts and yet hold the middle ground for rock and rap and wont sound muddy.which ever one fits that bill,is the one im after.

 

[Bass Addict 10+ year member]

pro-rabbit;seems you have quite a bit of knowledge on building enclosures.so what would you suggest as a happy medium that does well on rock and rap not being heavy on either end with 1 12 sub.or tell me what size enclosure would work well with a aq,dp.with my requirements.

 

[ahole-ic]

To be honest I really can not say more then what I said.
Glue on the coil and DD logo...everything else is up for public debate i guess.

I can. The 9500 series with "supercharge" option uses neo shorting rings etc. This prevents stray flux and gives this driver the same motor force as the 9500z and does it more cheaply. This nullified any reason for the 95z.

I run DD Z's and I can tell you, they are NOT just for burps. They **** on music as well. The vast majority of people in the car audio world and especially this forum talk about things they know NOTHING about and look incredibly silly.

 

[Bass Addict 10+ year member]

its a learning process,so if i look silly,so be it.better to look silly and learn than to think one knows it ALL.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

what im after is a sub that can hold at least 1500 rms watts and yet hold the middle ground for rock and rap and wont sound muddy.which ever one fits that bill,is the one im after.

There's a dozen I can think of off the top of my head that will do that. Pick one that can handle the power you need and you like either the looks of or you like the way the company treats you, or you just get a good deal on and start building boxes and testing. I've been using the same subs for a few years now and I have had a huge variety of different tunings and responses by just building different boxes. I'm still not even sure what I like.

Interestingly enough on the topic of box design, a friend of mine had a box from Dave the box guy (out of New Hampshire) and was doing just under or just over 150 (depending on the sub... and actually sounded half-musical) with a single 15 out of a honda 2 door sedan. He recently had a very expensive box design done by an elite box guru (nobody on this forum AFAIK, but someone who people get a hard-on over). He put weeks into constructing the box, sanding, resin, etc. etc. and lost almost 2db. I'm not saying Dave is a genius or just got lucky, but the point being you really don't know until you test and even the best theoretical info may go to **** in the car with music playing.... in his particular case the box performed very well with about half a dozen different comparable drivers he tested.

IMO at the end of the day vehicle accoustics and the box will probably be a more dominant factor than the woofer itself provided you're not comparing a monster sub to best buy fare.