Im tired of hearing it

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

JL makes good stuff, but other companies make better products at a better price. I could get a w6 for $400, or I could buy an SSA Xcon for $400. The Xcon will still sound great but will handle 3x the power.

Is it still a better price when you have to pay for 3x the power and the power to support that power? look at the big picture

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Well put. And from a very good perspective on the subject. And kudos for not being biased.
I think because we are all on the forums, there are extremes to one side or the other. Be it SPL or SQ. Hardly anyone on here just wants to throw something in and be done with it. They want a pounder to demo or they compete on one side or the other. JL is for the "set it and forget it" crowd that wants to hand their keys to a shop and drive out with a nice system. Mostly.

A lot of people claim they want SQL, but what that really means is they want a loud daily. Lol. Not a burp or numbers whore system. If they really did want what I consider SQL, the W6 might be a good fit. But I personally feel like there are better subs for what people (including me) actually want.

Same here. I dont want a W6, maybe on day when i get tired of the loud sub stage.

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

This is why i gave up even talking about JL. People like this tool.

I'm a tool because people don't know any better to spend their money elsewhere? Please do go on about how JL is the absolute best driver in it's price class.

All of the JL nuthuggers go on and on singing their praises but I've never seen any comparison Klippels, FR graphs, RTA measurements or any other quantifiable evidence.

JL isn't overpriced? Prove it, jackass.

 

[destined2race 10+ year member]

I'm a tool because people don't know any better to spend their money elsewhere? Please do go on about how JL is the absolute best driver in it's price class.
All of the JL nuthuggers go on and on singing their praises but I've never seen any comparison Klippels, FR graphs, RTA measurements or any other quantifiable evidence.

JL isn't overpriced? Prove it, jackass.

Ive been doing car audio comps and installs for almost 20 years now. Ive tried a hundred of different setups but i still run JL stuff. And in case you think JL just pulls their "retail" prices out there *****, heres denims post incase you missed it or just ignored it:

In no way do I completely agree with JL's pricing, BUT they have an excellent facility here in the USA that builds their upper end drivers employing American's to build. They do extensive amount of engineering that most others don't have the capability to do or have the staff able to do it. They have pioneered a some things and have been a big part in shaping the way the industry has progressed. Meaning, they have a lot to back up their pricing as they are spending a lot to stay on top. Not like other mega brands that have gone to full on cheapest build costs possible to ever rising pricing all while riding on the name. JL does not fit the internet ideal, because on the internet CHEAPEST initial price will always rule, (regardless of background, quality, value or performance) especially here in the US. JL does fit the dealer ideal well, great product, great name and good margin.

its a business, so some products are cheaper that maybe can perform better. A corvette zo6 can beat some lambos, ferraris, astons, etc... so they better close their doors and stop business because theres "faster" for less right?

And id never pay there retail prices either, and if anyone goes to a local dealer they can get deals too. I basically pay cost thats why i use them alot

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Your Okur is way closer to being a AP then my amp buddy.

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crescendo

audioque

audiopipe

Seems like only their 2K's are all identical, audiopipe 3500 appears to be the same as RD3250 V2

In no way do I completely agree with JL's pricing, BUT they have an excellent facility here in the USA that builds their upper end drivers employing American's to build. They do extensive amount of engineering that most others don't have the capability to do or have the staff able to do it. They have pioneered a some things and have been a big part in shaping the way the industry has progressed. Meaning, they have a lot to back up their pricing as they are spending a lot to stay on top. Not like other mega brands that have gone to full on cheapest build costs possible to ever rising pricing all while riding on the name. JL does not fit the internet ideal, because on the internet CHEAPEST initial price will always rule, (regardless of background, quality, value or performance) especially here in the US. JL does fit the dealer ideal well, great product, great name and good margin.

10 year aniversary of W7 they come out with a new color..... way to innovate.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

I'm a tool because people don't know any better to spend their money elsewhere? Please do go on about how JL is the absolute best driver in it's price class.
All of the JL nuthuggers go on and on singing their praises but I've never seen any comparison Klippels, FR graphs, RTA measurements or any other quantifiable evidence.

JL isn't overpriced? Prove it, jackass.

I feel like I did prove it. Out off all the subs i listed the W6 has more honors and is priced lower them most of them. Almost all of them.

Oh BTW, here is a Klippel. http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/klippel-reviews-driver-specs/106899-jl-audio-12w6v2-2.html

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

I feel like I did prove it. Out off all the subs i listed the W6 has more honors and is priced lower them most of them. Almost all of them.
Oh BTW, here is a Klippel. DIYMA Car Audio Forum

Damnit. I can't see the graph on this computer. I'll review it later. Thanks for the link.

And JL has been around a long time. It stands to reason they would be more decorated. A whole lot of SQ guys are old school though. Lol. They might be a little stuck in their ways (like destined2race).

That's a good and bad analogy with the cars. Stands to reason of you want 1/4 mile, you'd be crazy not to get the 'Vette. If you want luxury, there's better to be had than the Ferrari. You're paying for prestige with those brands though. And if people want to pay for prestige, they can go with JL. Lol.

I dunno. Threads like this are fun, but I don't know if they ever change anyone's mind. You're not going to convince me to run JL. And I'm not going to convince a nuthugger not to. So, I'll agree to disagree with you guys and try not to come off as an ass about JL.

[Edit: actually, I did convince a nuthugger to give up on JL. He was dead set on his (4) 13W6's. We rebuilt his wall a couple times. Tried 3-4 different style non-wall boxes and just could not get them to where he wanted. He couldn't understand why my trunk was louder than he with less cone and less power. That is... until he gave up JL. He's 3db louder now and loving it. That's a bit of an extreme case though from someone who claimed he wanted SQL.]

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Damnit. I can't see the graph on this computer. I'll review it later. Thanks for the link.
And JL has been around a long time. It stands to reason they would be more decorated. A whole lot of SQ guys are old school though. Lol. They might be a little stuck in their ways (like destined2race).

That's a good and bad analogy with the cars. Stands to reason of you want 1/4 mile, you'd be crazy not to get the 'Vette. If you want luxury, there's better to be had than the Ferrari. You're paying for prestige with those brands though. And if people want to pay for prestige, they can go with JL. Lol.

I dunno. Threads like this are fun, but I don't know if they ever change anyone's mind. You're not going to convince me to run JL. And I'm not going to convince a nuthugger not to. So, I'll agree to disagree with you guys and try not to come off as an ass about JL.

I'm not trying to change peoples minds, just throwing out some facts for when people recommend a SQ sub(if thats what is being asked about). Who knows, maybe we can help get JL off the block and back in the hands of people that understand its purpose

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

I'm not trying to change peoples minds, just throwing out some facts for when people recommend a SQ sub(if thats what is being asked about). Who knows, maybe we can help get JL off the block and back in the hands of people that understand its purpose

I think that maybe "it's purpose" is the real debate. Not the quality or the price. At least half of the time JL's are misused. That's probably where they get the overpriced thing. You can definitely "make noise" for way less. You can get louder for way less. Can you get better pure SQ for less? Debatable.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Is it still a better price when you have to pay for 3x the power and the power to support that power? look at the big picture

Just cause it can handle 3x the power doesn't mean you have to run it at 3x the power. Why do people always assume you gotta run a sub at it's max RMS rating? And yes it is still a better price.

I buy a W6 and say a 600 watt amp for $500 combined. Well I wanna upgrade and double my power. I would have to buy another sub + amp which is even more money, or I could buy the Xcon + 600 watt amp for $500 combined, then just buy a new amp later.

Maybe you should look at the big picture.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Just cause it can handle 3x the power doesn't mean you have to run it at 3x the power. Why do people always assume you gotta run a sub at it's max RMS rating? And yes it is still a better price.
I buy a W6 and say a 600 watt amp for $500 combined. Well I wanna upgrade and double my power. I would have to buy another sub + amp which is even more money, or I could buy the Xcon + 600 watt amp for $500 combined, then just buy a new amp later.

Maybe you should look at the big picture.

Put both subs on 600 watts only. The Xcon will have to fight its stiffer suspension, heavier cone, and former to make use of the power. You dont NEED 3x the power but with the sub being designed for it will hold it back on low power. The W6 will not have that same problem.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

I agree, ppl will always run what they want. I've had this discussion on this forum numerous times. I've come to realize that most of the ppl who say "JL is overpriced" are simply newbs who know nothing outside of what they heard online. So they regurgitate it so the cool kids online don't bash them....that bothers me a little but u get over it. Other ppl who hate JL don't understand the brand is all about reliability and SQ over SPL and ridiculous power handling. But obviously, ppl don't care about those types of things when Audiopipe is huge right now for making noise for cheap.

I've given up even expecting ppl to respect JL. But I have no doubt in my mind that I could win some comps with JL equipment set up right, so it's far from garbage as some would say. Overpriced? Depends on your pocket....I like the online prices of JL personally and I'd rather spend more on it than the BS recommendations ppl spout off online as a SQ sub simply because it doesnt sound like total crap....

The only cheaper sub I think compares to the w6 sq wise is the Dayton HO. The w6 trumps it as far as output though and I think it looks more smexy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[ace_800 5,000+ posts]

Pretty high up the food chain I think. Mark Eldridge Attends Popular Events with his JL Audio Sponsored NASCAR Charger Show Car | 12 Volt News

So he has to run JL as he is SPONSORED.....end of story.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

So he has to run JL as he is SPONSORED.....end of story.

Who cares. Its wins freaking everything. The agruement was JL dont win

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

Put both subs on 600 watts only. The Xcon will have to fight its stiffer suspension, heavier cone, and former to make use of the power. You dont NEED 3x the power but with the sub being designed for it will hold it back on low power. The W6 will not have that same problem.

This is a very common misconception. Big subs are usually STILL louder on less power.