If JL is good but overpriced, at what price point should they be?

Just think, Rolex continues to sell watches at high prices because people continue to buy them for that price, so why on earth would you lower the price?
That's exactly what I said in the beginning of the thread. JL spent money to make a name for themselves, now they are cashing in on money well spent....I applaud them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
That's exactly what I said in the beginning of the thread. JL spent money to make a name for themselves, now they are cashing in on money well spent....I applaud them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Amazing how all you need to do is just have a big name. JL could probably make it so they have worse customer service than DD and always stay in business. I don't mind JL at all. I think a lot of their stuff is very nice. But I wouldn't buy it from a local dealer. IMO the reason most people don't like "JL" (as a company) is because these ****ing morons with small systems such as a 2 12W3's and a 500/1 think their shit is the loudest because of JL on the amps and all the gay little stickers on their cars.

 
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I have a friend who had 2 12W0's and a 12W3v2, and thought he was THE SHIT.

And then I pwnt his system with a single 15.

Loser.
I got some real dumb ***** around here. I don't want to type out all the stories though. I will say one kid had a kicker comp and a JL 12w3 in the same box lol.

 
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I have a friend who had 2 12W0's and a 12W3v2, and thought he was THE SHIT.

And then I pwnt his system with a single 15.

Loser.
What's important to realize is that idiots like that don't speak for an enitre group of people.

Just becasue that dude's and idiot doesn't make other JL owners idiots. Every fanbase or group has their morons.

Just because you are running two 12w3's and 500/1 don;'t make you THE SHIT. It me be better than alot of set-ups, but its far from being THE SHIT.

 
SPL isn't everything. In fact in many circles, it isn't anything.

As far as JL's enclosure recs, they **** in the same way that Kicker's do. Tuned WAY too high. Peaks like nobody's business. Meant to appeal to the masses. Loud and good power handling with music. Good cone control in the region that the typical bass boost circuit is active.

 
So now the reason that you guys don't like JL Audio is because of some of the people who own their products?

This just in: logic on caraudio.com is at an all-time low....and that's saying something.

 
and no, bass boost wasn't my problem... HU boost was defeated and i experimented with the boost on the amp...

left it defeated= still peaked

turned the center frequency all the way up and gave it about a 3db boost= flatter responce but same peak

turned it all the way down= still same peak, and it had the same peak with a diff. amp...

i'm thinking it had to be either the enclosure or the signal from the rear channel speaker i used as an input from a factory HU, but i didn't have a choice...

i didn't wanna buy some 600$ prossesor... and you can't easily put an after-market HU in a ford taurus = POS (by the way)

 
So now the reason that you guys don't like JL Audio is because of some of the people who own their products?
This just in: logic on caraudio.com is at an all-time low....and that's saying something.
I never said that, but I think that its common for other people to think that way.

 
is that the same for sealed? i had a 10w6v2 built to specs on quite a bit of power, but it peaked mechanically at 43-48 hz range and eventually the surround tore so should i have made a bigger box?
No, that peak was probably due to cabin gain.

If the suspension wasn't able to handle it self in the current box, it DEFINITELY wouldn't be able to do it in a larger enclosure, you would just make it worse.

W7s are dinosours and 800 bucks at CrutchfeildIMO they are 400.00 woofers(300 for sub +100 for name)

and an FI Q will own a W7 -
Yes, the W7 has been out for quite a few years, but that doesn't make it any worse. Fi is a great company don't get me wrong, they make great budget drivers and they offer different lines that suite people's tastes differently, but to say they outright "own" a W7 is retarded. If you care to backup your statements with testing that you've obviously done to prove this, then be my guest, but I'm not going to hold my breathe.

comparing tech in the 2 woofers is a joke too. I dont' care how new Fi is, there is nothing new about the design, uses older motor topology than the W7 I'd bet.
Unless Fi is using something other than an overhung design (and I don't think they do), then the W7 and the FI drivers use the same topology. The biggest difference is that the W7 is a HIGHLY optimized version, which as far as I know, no one has come even close to getting something EXACTLY like the W7, I'm talking about strictly overhung. Underhung, split gap, xbl, blah blah, try and achieve the same idea, but IMO they don't do it nearly as well as the W7. Not that these designs are bad, I love underhung motors, but the W7 WILL have less BL related distortion...ie at higher excursion levels when other designs fall off quickly.

With that said, at low volumes, the three designs will probably sound very similar, but the w7 shines at higher output levels.

 
Yes, the W7 does have linear BL...surprisingly so for a "standard" overhung driver. But you'd be very hard pressed to claim it has better BL linearity (in terms of a flat plateau and distance) than most of the unconventional linear BL approach. The LMS drivers from TC Sounds are retardedly linear...the LMS-5400 is the lowest distortion driver I have ever seen data on, period.

 
Yes, the W7 does have linear BL...surprisingly so for a "standard" overhung driver. But you'd be very hard pressed to claim it has better BL linearity (in terms of a flat plateau and distance) than most of the unconventional linear BL approach. The LMS drivers from TC Sounds are retardedly linear...the LMS-5400 is the lowest distortion driver I have ever seen data on, period.
Right, they all aim for the same goal, they all just do it differently. I spent the last 4 months with an XBL driver, and I actually prefer the sound of the W7 to my old XXX, but I can't justify spending more on a 10w7 than I did on the 15" XXX, to me, economically it doesn't make any sense.

I've never really cared much for TC in the last few years, so I never looked into it enough to comment on it, you wouldn't by chance happen to have a dumax or klippel test on it would you?

 
Yeah, the BL curves for the LMS and XBL drivers are niiiice. I haven't seen the BL curve on a W7 yet... anyone got one of those handy?
Couldn't find one for the W7, but I did for the W6. Pretty dam near perfect

12W6 curve

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http://www.caraudiomag.com/testreports/0403cae_jlaudio_12w6v2_car_audio_subwoofer/photo_09.html

 
It's very symmetrical, but "perfect" would be with much shallower slopes.

It isn't bad, but a truly perfect BL curve would be literally ruler flat all the way across.

 
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