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[Mr.B 10+ year member]

okay. you win no competitor clipps their amps, sundowns can really do 7k and im about to jump in my canoe and go fishing...

can i come??? i havent gone fishing in a while...my family is starving since all we have is smoked meat and poi...

 

[06salterego 10+ year member]

for SPL burps, AFAIK clipping doesn't matter. you want to get as much power out of your amps as possible.

thats what i thoght so in theory youd want to clipp them a tad to get more power outa them rite...

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

okay. you win no competitor clipps their amps, sundowns can really do 7k and im about to jump in my canoe and go fishing...

That's not what I'm saying. The thing is, in reality, amps will actually still increase the real amplitude of the sine wave when they first start clipping. The further you push it to clipping, the less real amplitude gain you continue to get, and eventually your real amplitude stays the same, while your artificial amplitude continues to increase until you essentially have a square wave. This is why you can actually get louder by slightly or moderately clipping, but you get diminishing returns the farther you push the amp into clipping, as it begins to only increase the artificial amplitude of the wave.

 

[06salterego 10+ year member]

can i come??? i havent gone fishing in a while...my family is starving since all we have is smoked meat and poi...

**** i want smoke meat...smoked deer meat... i just fish i dont actually catch anything till i to foodland.....

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

thats what i thoght so in theory youd want to clipp them a tad to get more power outa them rite...

exactly, a tad...or when I want to burp my subs do you propose I just boost the input signal as much as possible and turn the gain on the amp all the way up? Throw in some bass boost too?

 

[06salterego 10+ year member]

That's not what I'm saying. The thing is, in reality, amps will actually still increase the real amplitude of the sine wave when they first start clipping. The further you push it to clipping, the less real amplitude gain you continue to get, and eventually your real amplitude stays the same, while your artificial amplitude continues to increase until you essentially have a square wave. This is why you can actually get louder by slightly or moderately clipping, but you get diminishing returns the farther you push the amp into clipping, as it begins to only increase the artificial amplitude of the wave.

rite that is what i said that clipping give you more power but its power that is not good for the sub becasue of the slight hold at the peak of the stroke which makes for less heat removal then the subgopoof syndrome if clipped long enuff at a high enuff level...

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

rite that is what i said that clipping give you more power but its power that is not good for the sub becasue of the slight hold at the peak of the stroke which makes for less heat removal then the subgopoof syndrome if clipped long enuff at a high enuff level...

the slight hold isn't enough alone to say it will kill the subs, even if we were talking about a square wave, its worse than clean power, yes, but would you also be that worried about putting 1050rms to your 1k rms sub?...putting a sub in a smaller than optimal box will also cause it to have less cooling, do you worry about that as much as clipping? lower frequencies also will give a sub less cooling, assuming excursion stays the same.

 

[06salterego 10+ year member]

exactly, a tad...or when I want to burp my subs do you propose I just boost the input signal as much as possible and turn the gain on the amp all the way up? Throw in some bass boost too?

wait i cant decifer what is sarcasim at this point.....

just put it this way in a burp clipp is okay in a daily system where your slammin the shit outa your system for hours on end its not good...

 

[06salterego 10+ year member]

the slight hold isn't enough alone to say it will kill the subs...putting a sub in a smaller than optimal box will also cause it to have less cooling, do you worry about that as much as clipping?

no i use gigantic boxes with big ports...

 

[Mr.B 10+ year member]

wait i cant decifer what is sarcasim at this point.....
just put it this way in a burp clipp is okay in a daily system where your slammin the shit outa your system for hours on end its not good...

ill agree with the second half since i know jackshit about the first part...and wasnt that what the OP was doing...subing his underpowered subs with a clipping amp?

 

[Mr.B 10+ year member]

the slight hold isn't enough alone to say it will kill the subs, even if we were talking about a square wave, its worse than clean power, yes, but would you also be that worried about putting 1050rms to your 1k rms sub?...putting a sub in a smaller than optimal box will also cause it to have less cooling, do you worry about that as much as clipping? lower frequencies also will give a sub less cooling, assuming excursion stays the same.

nah, the boxes we use for sounds is big like your moms .....

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

wait i cant decifer what is sarcasim at this point.....
just put it this way in a burp clipp is okay in a daily system where your slammin the shit outa your system for hours on end its not good...

If you think 800 watts of clipped power will in any way damage a sub that is capable of handling 3-4k, you are FAR overestimating the effects of clipping on cooling.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Ohhh the ironyy...
lmfao at the clipping discussion in the first few pages, skipped the rest, but those opposing audioholic's argument presented the most mentally incapable points of view/arguments I've ever read or heard in my life.

There is a difference between a typo and a misspelling. Either way, there's egg on my face.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

There is a difference between a typo and a misspelling. Either way, there's egg on my face.

I was 90% kidding anyway //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[97gp 5,000+ posts]

You guys are silly