I need a Good Capasitor

A cap does help, it keeps the voltage to the amp reasonable constant, creating better bass and louder. Why would it not work? What were they designed to do? They are a help for the alternator, so they can't be a bad thing.
Well, thats what they are SUPPOSED to do, but most of the time don't. Just think of it like this, your stereo is powerful, and draws current from your alternator. Your battery needs charging too, so it draws from the alt. Now, you add a capacitor(essentially a small battery) and when the bass hits, it drains out, and needs to be refilled, causing another load on the alternator and essentially defeating it's purpose.

 
When do you ever listen to music with constant bass??? Most music its just one beat at a time(atleast my music is). So during the time when the sub is actually not moving the cap is being charged, and as soon as the sub does hit the cap instantly works to give out the extra energy. So what happens overall is that you get a more equal drainage from the battery. Yes it does take more work for the alt, but if your lights stop dimming obviously something is helping and its not magic.

 
Caps are for looks basically. In a SPL competition or SQ you won't see any competitor with a cap. They just upgrade the battery and alternator. So essentially the guy is right, the cap is just a cheaper fix for lights dimming.

 
The higer voltage is going to the amp, the more output it will be capable of. When there is a big bass hit, the alternator cannot power the entire thing so the rest of the power has to come from the battery, which means you will be going from the 13.5-14.4v of the alternator to the 12v of the battery which will be less voltage to the amp and give less power to the sub and less SPL. The capacitor is supposed to keep the voltage higher than 12v even when the alternator is not capable. Do they work? I don't know anyone that has made their system louder w/ capacitors.

 
Caps are for looks basically. In a SPL competition or SQ you won't see any competitor with a cap.
I've been to many competitions and MOST of the SQ vehicles have capacitors. The SPL vehicles don't use them at all because they use multiple batteries and discharge it all at once for their burps. A capacitor would just be stupid in that case.

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Now, you add a capacitor(essentially a small battery) and when the bass hits, it drains out, and needs to be refilled, causing another load on the alternator and essentially defeating it's purpose.

Actually its quite a bit different than a battery. A capacitor can discharge and recharge almost instantaneously where as a battery takes much longer.

But hey, to each his own. This is a debate will go on forever and I'll use capacitors because as far as I'm concerned they make a difference in my system no matter what anyone says.

Adam

 
What a capacitor does..........

Only increases bass reponse about 1 db

The response of each note hit will be better

All it does is supply power for when your voltage dips, it does its best to keep your voltage at a constant level.

You are better off buying a new alternator cause thatll fix ur light dimming problem right quick and in a hurry.

 
soooo... is the CAP 50 by alumapro a waste of money? cuz i was thinking of getting one... i read somewhere that only caps with an INSANE amount of farads will actually do anything. oh yeah, i read that at SIN, the advanced forum section. so i was thinking.... hmmm maybe a 50 farad cap will actually work for 2kw daily driven... LOL!

seriously tho, a cap will only benefit an already up to par electrical system. it WILL smooth out the response and flatten the voltage coming to your amp, but you still have to have a good electrical system for it to be beneficial.

 
So essentially the guy is right, the cap is just a cheaper fix for lights dimming.
Actually they don't even "fix" the light dimming issue. As the cap discharges, the voltage gradually (relatively speaking, still less than a second) drops down to the level of the battery. The lights still dim but since the dimming is not as sudden you don't notice it as much. A big alternator and a good sized cap can provide stable voltage to a system. A big cap with an insufficient alternator will make a bad situation worse. A big alternator with no cap will see tiny dips in the voltage with bass hits, but not enough to make the lights dim noticably. Cap or not the results are inaudible. Even the most trained ear cannot distinguish 1dB of difference in volume and the difference between a cap and no cap is less than .1 dB. People that claim that they can hear the difference are the same people that "hear" the difference in brands of OFC 12 ga wire and "hear" the difference between Class A and A/B amps. To each his own. In a double blind test they couldn't tell one from the other. They might guess right 50% of the time but a monkey can guess right 50% of the time.

Who are the big proponents of caps? The companies that make and sell them. Who are the proponents of really expensive cable? Mostly the companies that sell them. Who buys them? Suckers that believe the hype. Of course they can "hear" a difference. Psychologically they have to justify the stupid amount of money they just spent on wire and the ears are controlled by the brain. You can convince yourself that you hear most anything, whether your ears actually perceive it or not, if your brain thinks it's there then it is. The human memory of sounds is very short term, generally only a few minutes. We are visual not aural creatures. We are thinking predators, not high strung prey. Sometimes we think too much and our brains over-ride our actual senses.

 
Actually they don't even "fix" the light dimming issue. As the cap discharges, the voltage gradually (relatively speaking, still less than a second) drops down to the level of the battery. The lights still dim but since the dimming is not as sudden you don't notice it as much. A big alternator and a good sized cap can provide stable voltage to a system. A big cap with an insufficient alternator will make a bad situation worse. A big alternator with no cap will see tiny dips in the voltage with bass hits, but not enough to make the lights dim noticably. Cap or not the results are inaudible. Even the most trained ear cannot distinguish 1dB of difference in volume and the difference between a cap and no cap is less than .1 dB. People that claim that they can hear the difference are the same people that "hear" the difference in brands of OFC 12 ga wire and "hear" the difference between Class A and A/B amps. To each his own. In a double blind test they couldn't tell one from the other. They might guess right 50% of the time but a monkey can guess right 50% of the time.
Who are the big proponents of caps? The companies that make and sell them. Who are the proponents of really expensive cable? Mostly the companies that sell them. Who buys them? Suckers that believe the hype. Of course they can "hear" a difference. Psychologically they have to justify the stupid amount of money they just spent on wire and the ears are controlled by the brain. You can convince yourself that you hear most anything, whether your ears actually perceive it or not, if your brain thinks it's there then it is. The human memory of sounds is very short term, generally only a few minutes. We are visual not aural creatures. We are thinking predators, not high strung prey. Sometimes we think too much and our brains over-ride our actual senses.
Are you calling me a monkey? Huh? Yeah you better not be. Well, anywho I'm gonna go have a banana and if I see you around here again I'll throw my feces at you.....got it?

Adam

P.S. LONG LIVE the HYPE BABY!!

 
if you're looking for a way to lower the draw on the electrical system(which most people that look at caps are) would it be better to buy a line driver? I know it made a noticible difference in my car because it raised the input voltage, which lets you lower the gains on amps which equals less draw from the alt right? i hear it doesnt make much of a difference in higher voltage HUs.

 
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