Hurricane Victims X-mas list

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I love natural disasters...because they show how idiotic and clueless most people really are. No, I'm not talking about the homeless, or the people that can't fend for themselves - I'm talking about the yuppie, middle-class SUV-driving ****wads that run out to the supermarkets and wonder why all the supplies are gone. Or that complain when their Razr's don't work in the aftermath. These people can afford to make emergency preparations long before the hurricane season ever starts. Preparations like a generator, extra fuel, solar-charged batteries, fresh water supplies, food, radios, etc. The stuff you need to survive for a few weeks.

I agree with you on everything --- except on being able to store extra fuel for any extended period. It's just not practical to store the amount of fuel necessary to have a real comfort level that you can wait it out for very long. That's tough too, because it doesn't take long to fugure out that your generator isn't going to be much help if you run out of gas. In turn, the perishable foods that you have will find their way to the dump.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

It's just not practical to store the amount of fuel necessary to have a real comfort level that you can wait it out for very long.

True...that's why if you have a buried LP tank, one of the best things you can buy is an LP conversion kit for a generator. That way, you've got 250 or 500 gallons of fuel that won't take up any more room than it is already. Even then, I realize you're limited to a few weeks...and of course if you don't have LPG service, no dice.

Four full weeks is a very long time to plan for...but there are certain things people can do to make their lives easier. For the most part, I don't see them doing it.

 

[ssj2xxgotenxx 10+ year member]

They do it for a livelyhood. They don't do it just to accomodate themselves. They live in these areas to help accomodate and get things to EVERYONE in the nation. Fishing in the open seas and living around ports is dangerous, but without people kliving in these areas and doing those jobs, you and everyone else wouldn't ge tthe luxury of fresh seafood. Most people live in an area, because they WORK in that area. Only the rich live there senselessly. Your statements are one sided and selfish.

I'm not saying to evactuate the entire area, but for the general population who's homes have been demolished for the 2nd/3rd time should reconsider moving elsewere. Fishing? what about fish farms? isn't that the safest and most efficent method of all? How am I being selffish for suggesting a better, safer, and more logical lifestyle?

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

True...that's why if you have a buried LP tank, one of the best things you can buy is an LP conversion kit for a generator. That way, you've got 250 or 500 gallons of fuel that won't take up any more room than it is already. Even then, I realize you're limited to a few weeks...and of course if you don't have LPG service, no dice.
Four full weeks is a very long time to plan for...but there are certain things people can do to make their lives easier. For the most part, I don't see them doing it.

quoting this one, because your other is a page back. We were lighting candles, and AA battery powered lamps to get around. The AC had to be the worst part, it just didnt work, thats all there was to it. We had food, we got a little experimental with things, but we made it. We got gas as we needed, theres a corner store down the road we walked to, and we syphoned our car tanks for what they were worth. Its not HARD to live without your everyday things, just hot and boring. I had heat flashes for 3 nights in a row, but I much rather have that than what some people had. My phone didnt work for a month.,......shit happens, I didnt GO ANYWHERE for a month really....it was to a point where you didnt need to go anywhere but the gas station, and really didnt want to GO any further because you didnt WANT TO SEE what happened until you last had to.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

all in all sounds like a blast, glad i wasn't there.

Sorry you had to go through that

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I'm not saying to evactuate the entire area, but for the general population who's homes have been demolished for the 2nd/3rd time should reconsider moving elsewere. Fishing? what about fish farms? isn't that the safest and most efficent method of all? How am I being selffish for suggesting a better, safer, and more logical lifestyle?

There aren't enough farms nor could you get enough farms to keep up with the need.

You are selfish because you aren't considering what these areas do for the good of the country on an economic scale. All you see is tax dollars and insurance money going to them. Or a waste of time and resources to help them rebuild and stay. You don't see the return on investing the time and money to help most of the areas affected by hurricanes.

Ports also aren't just for fishing. Most imported goods HAVE to come through them. Most ports and surrounding areas are susceptible to natural disasters not limited to only hurricanes. You can't just pull all the people that don't work there in these specific industries either, because they require other industries to keep their day to day happening. Except for a remote mopuntain or swamp man living off the land these communities produce something for the country.

I just simply can't understand why you say someone who has established themselves in an area shouldn't rebuild. These areas you say getting struck 2-3 times in a row. I highly doubt the magnitude was the most destructive each time. I would be willing to bet that 2 of say 3 times they merely had to replace some shingles on roofs. I don't consider that rebuilding. And power lines go down all o0ver the country in storm winds. If the storm isn't that big, the pwer is usually up in a day. No big deal or loss. Not many of the storms that come through pack the same pwer as Andrew or Katrina.

BTW I never addressed you hollywood comment about earthquakes. I fully understand they blow everything out of proportion(much like your ideas on hurrican areas). I was only being obviously sarcastic with that. I wouldn't fly out and piss on your ashes either if you want to get technical about it.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I have sympathy for those whose homes where damaged but it is a very short run issue. You can rebuild homes. Hell, our whole neighboorhood was destroyed by a tornado and comepletley rebuilt within 6 months. They had about 7 minutes of preparation because we have the sirens that go off throughout the city. That's called preparation. People in NO had several days.

I also fail to see there is such a big outcry that the federal government did such a lousy job. They tried. I think part of the reason why is because the people who suffered most of the economic damage are uneducated, hence why they did leave. In order to get supplies to people, there must be infrastructure, logistics, and supply chain management. It is quite difficult to transport the necessary supplies if there are trees down and collapsed bridges preventing them from doing so. You can't just drop a pallet of supplies out of a plane. The fools there would probably run underneath it or shoot it down. I am not saying all NO people are ignorant, as there is a very fine institution (Tulane) located there.

I just think it is the people...they were not mentally prepared. We have disaster drills in my community and neighborhood once per year. I don't live in a gated community, but a small subdivision with small homes with people with common sense. There are elderly, kids, etc. We have a plan BEFORE disaster strikes. These people, it seemed, had no plan.

My father says that people in such poor economic conditions are conditioned to believe the government owes them something, as many of the people down there received government subsidies already. Thus, after disaster they blamed the government and the government owed them something.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I just simply can't understand why you say someone who has established themselves in an area shouldn't rebuild. These areas you say getting struck 2-3 times in a row. I highly doubt the magnitude was the most destructive each time. I would be willing to bet that 2 of say 3 times they merely had to replace some shingles on roofs. I don't consider that rebuilding. And power lines go down all o0ver the country in storm winds. If the storm isn't that big, the pwer is usually up in a day. No big deal or loss. Not many of the storms that come through pack the same pwer as Andrew or Katrina.

I say let them rebuild, but do not complain or be surprised when disaster strikes. However, more than likely the ones who you refer to as integral to the economy had insurance and preparations and not the ones complaining. They are rebuilding and boosting the economy, not sitting around and complaining that they have no job, even though they didn't have a job before Katrina hit either.

 

[Decipha 10+ year member]

im truely shocked at some of these posts i really don't know what to say

forget about new orleans, lets focus on a county known as st.bernard parish, this parish suffered a direct hit from katrina. Not a single establishment remains intact. The entire parish (known as counties in other states) is completely destroyed. They have to start over from scratch. Every single home, church, school, business, hospital, everything has to be rebuilt. The people that lived there prior have nothing. Its over a year since the hurricane hit and they still have people that haven't even recieved a fukin fema trailor yet. Over a year and still have no place to call home?

although new orleans is 6-10 ft underwater, its not considered a flood zone.

the last time we had a hurricane hit new orleans was almost 40 years ago.

katrina did not directly hit new orleans, it hit just east of new orleans on the border of la/miss.

the ONLY reason new orleans flooded was because the levee's failed. If the levee's held up new orleans wouldn't have gotten wet.

oh and btw why couldn't they make an aerial drop? thats right the streets did have trees and shiit in it, but people were dieing, it really wouldn't have been that hard to drop a pallet of water and MRE's, It's not like they didn't have helicopters flying around, thats the only inspiration we had.

uhhh i give up

 

[cpierce 5,000+ posts]

im truely shocked at some of these posts i really don't know what to say
forget about new orleans, lets focus on a county known as st.bernard parish, this parish suffered a direct hit from katrina. Not a single establishment remains intact. The entire parish (known as counties in other states) is completely destroyed. They have to start over from scratch. Every single home, church, school, business, hospital, everything has to be rebuilt. The people that lived there prior have nothing. Its over a year since the hurricane hit and they still have people that haven't even recieved a fukin fema trailor yet. Over a year and still have no place to call home?

although new orleans is 6-10 ft underwater, its not considered a flood zone.

the last time we had a hurricane hit new orleans was almost 40 years ago.

katrina did not directly hit new orleans, it hit just east of new orleans on the border of la/miss.

the ONLY reason new orleans flooded was because the levee's failed. If the levee's held up new orleans wouldn't have gotten wet.

oh and btw why couldn't they make an aerial drop? thats right the streets did have trees and shiit in it, but people were dieing, it really wouldn't have been that hard to drop a pallet of water and MRE's, It's not like they didn't have helicopters flying around, thats the only inspiration we had.

uhhh i give up

So this is the only place in America ever destroyed by a natural diaster? You can just drop a pallet of food and water from a helo and expect it to be distrubted evenly amongst everyone. The first people to get there are going to get everything they can possibly carry and then its just going to break out into a big fight over who gets what

 

[Decipha 10+ year member]

nope its not, you can't expect it to be distributed evenly, but you can expect it to be put to good use, one thing about new orleans is the people, we take care of our own. If some one is in need and we have it you best believe they'll get it.

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

one thing about new orleans is the people, we take care of our own.

Oreary? So the rapping and murdering and looting and shooting and violence was a dream? Or is that the other things New Orleans people are good for, besides taking care of their own????

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

im truely shocked at some of these posts i really don't know what to say
forget about new orleans, lets focus on a county known as st.bernard parish, this parish suffered a direct hit from katrina. Not a single establishment remains intact. The entire parish (known as counties in other states) is completely destroyed. They have to start over from scratch. Every single home, church, school, business, hospital, everything has to be rebuilt. The people that lived there prior have nothing. Its over a year since the hurricane hit and they still have people that haven't even recieved a fukin fema trailor yet. Over a year and still have no place to call home?

although new orleans is 6-10 ft underwater, its not considered a flood zone.

the last time we had a hurricane hit new orleans was almost 40 years ago.

katrina did not directly hit new orleans, it hit just east of new orleans on the border of la/miss.

the ONLY reason new orleans flooded was because the levee's failed. If the levee's held up new orleans wouldn't have gotten wet.

oh and btw why couldn't they make an aerial drop? thats right the streets did have trees and shiit in it, but people were dieing, it really wouldn't have been that hard to drop a pallet of water and MRE's, It's not like they didn't have helicopters flying around, thats the only inspiration we had.

uhhh i give up

You say the only reason NOLA flooded was because the levees failed. Maybe so, but it was no secret that this was exactly what was expected in the event of a hurricane of Katrina's strength. How could someone voluntarily choose not to evacuate knowing this? Of course there were some people who did not have the means to leave, but you wont convince me that the majority who stayed were not just like YOU. They chose to stay.

And then the same people who were just too freakin' smart to head the repeated pleas for them to leave now want to piss and moan about not getting enough help. Those that fell in your category were part of the problem. Want to blame someone because there was not enough relief to go around? Blame yourself. You were just another mouth to feed.

Rescue workers had to repeatedly and unnecessarily risk their lives due to such smartasses. What thanks do they get. People *****ing because they did not risk their lives sooner. What a crock of shit.

Make no mistake about what I am saying. I am sure that there were some people that could not leave. For those folks (and any that remained to care for them) I feel sorry for them. Who would not?

But they were much worse off due to the stubborn people who just refused to leave and strained the system.

So there.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

By the way Decipha, I still think that there is hope for you yet. But I think I have already told you that you should not be discussing the whole Katrina -- NOLA situation giving the fact that you have admitted that you chose to stay.

That makes you a very poor advocate in my opinion. Part of you what you need to do to make others see you differently is to avoid this topic. Unless you want to start each conversation by conceding that your failure to evacuate was selfish as well as foolish.

 

[Mike yayo 10+ year member]

I agree...
I don't feel we should have sympathy for these people because they understand the dangers and risks of living out there. It's the same principle as me living in California, I understand the risks of earthquakes is a a potential danger that can strike at any second. Unfortunatly, huricanes are more frequent than earthquakes, and IMHO they should move out rather than rebuild every single year, it's just the more logical decision.

WTF! So everyone in florida,louisana,alabama,missippii, should move, do u understand the logic in that? Some people have jobs,family, or just to old to go move to cold or somewhere far away. U sound so stupid. It doesnt matter if people evac or not their shit still gets ****ed up.