how do these subs compare for the money?
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I'd say the mag is far from a performance to value driver. It's borderline retail... Before the bandwagon comes to flame me, I'm not saying it's bad, but 400+ for a internet based driver is a bit steep.
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You own one or even heard one?
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i've already looked into that and can get a 12" mag around the same price as a 18" btl //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
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Undercoverpunk is the only person I know of that has owned both. Although he went from Mag12's to 18" Fi Qs.
All the info you are looking for about Fi is easily found on thier site or a simple search on here.
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i kno i can find the specs, but i wanted people's opinions based more on those questions than the actual answers and the sq/spl/sql ratio of the drivers themselves as well as the output/sound quality opinions.
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lol Justin, browsing the forums at work //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
The q's are FI's SQ line, and BTL is their spl line, whereas the mag has both
The q's are FI's SQ line, and BTL is their spl line, whereas the mag has both
Mmmmm but the Fi Q has been compared to a RE XXX and comparable to teh W7 in SQ.The Fi Q's will keep up with the SX in terms of SPL and pass it up when the SX runs out of xmax in a lower tuned application.
Also I have heard that the Fi Q series will keep up with the L7's as far as SPL goes but will simply trounce the L7's in SQ.
The BTL with all options will have SPL of an MT with the SQ of a SX.
The BTL will always be louder then any of Fi's other subs even with the same amount as power becuase of the high power handling and higher sensitivity rating but it is not warranted (do not confuse for waranteed) unless you're actually going to throw some power at it (2kw-4kw RMS).
not to mention you can get 2 Fi Q 18's for less then 2 SI Mags,infact you can get 2 Fi Q 18's for $118 more then 1 SI Mag.
I see you're talking about 12" subs so.....2 Fi Q 12"s for the price of 1 SI Mag and just to remind you Fi's pricing includes shipping to your door!
Also I have heard that the Fi Q series will keep up with the L7's as far as SPL goes but will simply trounce the L7's in SQ.
The BTL with all options will have SPL of an MT with the SQ of a SX.
The BTL will always be louder then any of Fi's other subs even with the same amount as power becuase of the high power handling and higher sensitivity rating but it is not warranted (do not confuse for waranteed) unless you're actually going to throw some power at it (2kw-4kw RMS).
not to mention you can get 2 Fi Q 18's for less then 2 SI Mags,infact you can get 2 Fi Q 18's for $118 more then 1 SI Mag.
I see you're talking about 12" subs so.....2 Fi Q 12"s for the price of 1 SI Mag and just to remind you Fi's pricing includes shipping to your door!
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thank you very much for your input. it was greatly appreciated. the reasons i was copmaring them was the price of 1 12" mag i can get an 18" btl with no add-ons. the sq might not be up with a mag but if it'll keep up with a w7, then that's perfect (since i currently own a 13w7) but i may very well lean towards some fi q's or maybe a 12" btl or 15" btl if i can fit one. i think i may end up ditching the mags after all. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif
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wow how much wrong info is in this thread. Please dont post information about a driver you have that you have no clue how it performs.
The Q is the "sq" line //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
The Q is the "sq" line //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
The Fi Qs are a MUCH better value than the Magnums...
Honestly, Stereo Integrity would be nowhere on this forum if certain members havent been saying they are the *shit* when the prices for the sub are so outrageous compared to their competition.
all a subwoofer is doing is transfering electrical energy to acoustical energy, displacement IS DIRECTLY correlated to output. The reason subwoofers are so inefficient is because they have to compress the air within the box to reach maximum excursion...smaller box requires a higher motor strength to get the same linear excursion.
SQ is often related to the response curve of the driver, which is determined by its physical characteristics (its suspension, motor strength, weight of moving parts) that determine where it will reach maximum excursion. Lower Q drivers have a much easier time of reaching maximum excursion and thus reach it at a higher frequency, and low-end suffers as a result because the subwoofer doesnt have the extra displacement necessary for the lower octaves. Higher Q drivers on the other hand have a much more difficult job of reaching maximum excursion and thus reach it at a lower frequency where it doesnt have to move as much. The mechanical characteristics of the driver shape its response, but you can alter that with electronic means to whatever you like. A low Q driver can have heavy bottom end if you equalize it!
Lets compare apples to apples (even though...you could still get a Fi Q18 $141 cheaper than a Mag 12)
Mag 12 vs Fi Q12
They each have the same surface area and roughly the same linear displacement...so they have the same potentiality of reaching a given sound pressure level. The mag isnt magically a louder driver because it has a bigger motor or because somebody told you it was. Its all a matter of getting each to its respectable xmax (70% of BL strength if I recall correctly?), (im not including xmag in this because neither of these woofers are SPL woofers and shouldnt have a much higher xmag compared to their xmax, and you dont push your woofers to xmag in a daily setup)
Each driver has to compress the air within the box, they are working with the same forces. The woofer with the lower motor/suspension characteristics will require a larger compliance of air to reach the same xmax, but that doesnt negate the fact that it is able to reach xmax.
$309 for a Fi Q18 or $450 for a Mag 12?
Fi Q18 has 152% more surface area which equates to over 9dB (10dB = doubling of sound pressure levels) and the difference between linear displacement is very minute (24.6 for the mag and 27 for the Q18) so im not including it...
If you want to get ***** up the ***...buy the Mag
Honestly, Stereo Integrity would be nowhere on this forum if certain members havent been saying they are the *shit* when the prices for the sub are so outrageous compared to their competition.
all a subwoofer is doing is transfering electrical energy to acoustical energy, displacement IS DIRECTLY correlated to output. The reason subwoofers are so inefficient is because they have to compress the air within the box to reach maximum excursion...smaller box requires a higher motor strength to get the same linear excursion.
SQ is often related to the response curve of the driver, which is determined by its physical characteristics (its suspension, motor strength, weight of moving parts) that determine where it will reach maximum excursion. Lower Q drivers have a much easier time of reaching maximum excursion and thus reach it at a higher frequency, and low-end suffers as a result because the subwoofer doesnt have the extra displacement necessary for the lower octaves. Higher Q drivers on the other hand have a much more difficult job of reaching maximum excursion and thus reach it at a lower frequency where it doesnt have to move as much. The mechanical characteristics of the driver shape its response, but you can alter that with electronic means to whatever you like. A low Q driver can have heavy bottom end if you equalize it!
Lets compare apples to apples (even though...you could still get a Fi Q18 $141 cheaper than a Mag 12)
Mag 12 vs Fi Q12
They each have the same surface area and roughly the same linear displacement...so they have the same potentiality of reaching a given sound pressure level. The mag isnt magically a louder driver because it has a bigger motor or because somebody told you it was. Its all a matter of getting each to its respectable xmax (70% of BL strength if I recall correctly?), (im not including xmag in this because neither of these woofers are SPL woofers and shouldnt have a much higher xmag compared to their xmax, and you dont push your woofers to xmag in a daily setup)
Each driver has to compress the air within the box, they are working with the same forces. The woofer with the lower motor/suspension characteristics will require a larger compliance of air to reach the same xmax, but that doesnt negate the fact that it is able to reach xmax.
$309 for a Fi Q18 or $450 for a Mag 12?
Fi Q18 has 152% more surface area which equates to over 9dB (10dB = doubling of sound pressure levels) and the difference between linear displacement is very minute (24.6 for the mag and 27 for the Q18) so im not including it...
If you want to get ***** up the ***...buy the Mag
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that's a nice way of putting it. lol. i see your points. and i'm still leaning toward fi audio. i'm more of an spl guy, but i like some sq as well. i've never heard an RE audio sub or any internet sub (even my 13w7 except one time). so when people compare sq to other subs i still have no idea. but thanks for all the input thus far.
definetley go for the Fi route
I honestly dont understand what the big Mag boner is coming from...you could get a much better driver and or pairs of drivers for the cost of one Mag.
Stereo Integritys lineup looks...incredibly bleak compared to its competition and a terrible value:crap: boo to SI
GO BACK TO SELLING DIRECTLY TO THE CONSUMERS!!! I could actually recommend SI when they had their old prices.
2 RLP 15s $500 vs 1 Mag 15 $500?
Hmm...
I honestly dont understand what the big Mag boner is coming from...you could get a much better driver and or pairs of drivers for the cost of one Mag.
Stereo Integritys lineup looks...incredibly bleak compared to its competition and a terrible value:crap: boo to SI
GO BACK TO SELLING DIRECTLY TO THE CONSUMERS!!! I could actually recommend SI when they had their old prices.
2 RLP 15s $500 vs 1 Mag 15 $500?
Hmm...
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yeah. i did have it all planned out and ready to go, but some things fell thru, adire screwed me over on a broken driver, and so i'm strapped for cash again. so the cheaper route would do me real well this time. revamping my system ftl. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
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