what the hell r u on about? they bang of low power and are a great sub. lets put it another way, take any other sub u like, ANY, dd, treo, re, ba, whatever and take a HSL eXcursion pro and stick 100RMS up it - guarantee, provided its at lest an ok box, it will be louder and will hit harder than any of the above - just ask dbDon.......//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gifOriginally posted by audiolife slightly over rated but close to actual rateings a decent buy.