High End Head Unit Selection Help

[blue 10+ year member]

With all due respect Alphakenny1 .... Your first sentence in post #37 says it all .... You're speaking about a product in which you have NO experience with firsthand when you talk about the DRZ ..... I've owned both , and know first hand the differences ..... Regardless , as long as YOU are satisfied with your set-up , that's all that really matters ....

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

blue, i do respect your opinion and i know your love for the drz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif but i've heard it all. i sat in a car with a mcintosh mx406 before and after it was tuned for a good hour. it was tuned via 2 behringer processors. night and day difference. the stage was deeper and higher and imaging was much better. tonality it was a bit more clear and detailed. not a huge difference in tonality but everything with respects to the stage and imaging made a huge difference. something the mcintosh mx406 cannot do by itself. i will take flexbility in tuning capabilities before any SQ differences between HUs.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Like I said, go with the DEX-P9 and DEQ-P9 combo. The HU has dual 24-bit Burr Brown DACs with up to a 96kHz sampling frequency and has optical outs for the processor (DEQ). This method will give you the advantages of both the Clarion and the alpine options. PM me your email and I'll send you the manuals if you want to look over them.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Have you read the specs on the Clairon?
It has dual burr brown dac at 96 sampling rate

Alpine has dual dac but I think at 41 rate

Please correct me if I'm wrong......

So no matter how much tuning you do.............the 1st source...the CD player......has to play an important part...........how can the Apine be tuned to sound better than the Clarion if the Clarion has better CD specs to start with.

if you fall into the numbers game you are a fool. the 7998 has proved that many times.

True , the Alpine has MUCH , MUCH more flexibility in the way of set-up , but NOTHING overcomes the difference Dual Burr Brown Dacs make in a piece. Using lots of EQ to try and overcome the rather dry sound of the Alpine DACs is like placing a band-aid over a ******* chest wound.I've played with both set-ups you mentioned , and while Alpine is nice , the DRZ simply sounds like music .... Natural.

There is a LOT wrong with the " Processing can overcome EVERY issue " way of thinking today. Start out right , and you won't need processing to " fix " things ....

JMO

you're such a moron its not even funny. the minute someone says something that contradicts the product you have a boner for you go shit ape. thats why you drive a p.o.s. viper, to compensate for something you obviously lack.

p.s. your wife still has downs.

With all due respect Alphakenny1 .... Your first sentence in post #37 says it all .... You're speaking about a product in which you have NO experience with firsthand when you talk about the DRZ ..... I've owned both , and know first hand the differences ..... Regardless , as long as YOU are satisfied with your set-up , that's all that really matters ....

blah blah blah

blue, i do respect your opinion and i know your love for the drz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif but i've heard it all. i sat in a car with a mcintosh mx406 before and after it was tuned for a good hour. it was tuned via 2 behringer processors. night and day difference. the stage was deeper and higher and imaging was much better. tonality it was a bit more clear and detailed. not a huge difference in tonality but everything with respects to the stage and imaging made a huge difference. something the mcintosh mx406 cannot do by itself. i will take flexbility in tuning capabilities before any SQ differences between HUs.

blue has owned 4 'high end' audio shops that have all failed, therefore he knows everything!

before you buy into any of the b.s. he spits, read:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156436

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158012

(hebrew ham. proves him to be a douchefuc and he has nothing to say, just ignores the posts)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178941

(goes on to say anyone who likes eclipse knows nothing about music or how it should sound... and that he's never been flamed LAWL)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156436

(even worse)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156802

(and again)

 

[thermal 10+ year member]

Thanks for your input Eugenics............but you never really helped in our discussion about your Head/processor preference.

Keep in mind my budget............$1000, for an active setup with a great installer.

I don't have any way to listen to the units so specs is a good way for me to start..........not that I know what they mean anyways..........lol

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

if it were me, i would go with the alpine combo. a 7998 and the h701 combo. pxa and rux iirc. but my next setup personally will probably be a 960 premier, or whatever the model number is.

 

[explorer2 10+ year member]

I'd go with the p9 combo, it will do everything you need it to and leaves plenty of room for future expansion and upgrades, and if you ever do decide to get rid of it the resale will be good.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

P9 FTW //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/woot.gif.aaa6090e619a97b6090d16dd863c5a69.gif

 

[blue 10+ year member]

if you fall into the numbers game you are a fool. the 7998 has proved that many times.


you're such a moron its not even funny. the minute someone says something that contradicts the product you have a boner for you go shit ape. thats why you drive a p.o.s. viper, to compensate for something you obviously lack.

p.s. your wife still has downs.

blah blah blah

blue has owned 4 'high end' audio shops that have all failed, therefore he knows everything!

before you buy into any of the b.s. he spits, read:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156436

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158012

(hebrew ham. proves him to be a douchefuc and he has nothing to say, just ignores the posts)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178941

(goes on to say anyone who likes eclipse knows nothing about music or how it should sound... and that he's never been flamed LAWL)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156436

(even worse)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156802

(and again)

You again ? I had hope you had passed away already //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif I'm doing WAAAAY to well to be worried about anything you say , and my references stand on their own. Thanks for once again proving your tasteless and immature character.

Cheers Bro !

 

[blue 10+ year member]

if you fall into the numbers game you are a fool. the 7998 has proved that many times.


you're such a moron its not even funny. the minute someone says something that contradicts the product you have a boner for you go shit ape. thats why you drive a p.o.s. viper, to compensate for something you obviously lack.

p.s. your wife still has downs.

blah blah blah

blue has owned 4 'high end' audio shops that have all failed, therefore he knows everything!

before you buy into any of the b.s. he spits, read:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156436

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158012

(hebrew ham. proves him to be a douchefuc and he has nothing to say, just ignores the posts)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178941

(goes on to say anyone who likes eclipse knows nothing about music or how it should sound... and that he's never been flamed LAWL)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156436

(even worse)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156802

(and again)

Also , NONE of my shops have ever failed in any way , but to this day continue to be VERY , VERY successful , thank you ...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif

 

[blue 10+ year member]

blue, i do respect your opinion and i know your love for the drz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif but i've heard it all. i sat in a car with a mcintosh mx406 before and after it was tuned for a good hour. it was tuned via 2 behringer processors. night and day difference. the stage was deeper and higher and imaging was much better. tonality it was a bit more clear and detailed. not a huge difference in tonality but everything with respects to the stage and imaging made a huge difference. something the mcintosh mx406 cannot do by itself. i will take flexbility in tuning capabilities before any SQ differences between HUs.

Likewise Alphakenny1 , with all sincere respect , the McIntosh MX-406 is LIGHT YEARS behind the DRZ in literally EVERY way imaginable.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Have you read the specs on the Clairon?
It has dual burr brown dac at 96 sampling rate

Alpine has dual dac but I think at 41 rate

Please correct me if I'm wrong......

So no matter how much tuning you do.............the 1st source...the CD player......has to play an important part...........how can the Apine be tuned to sound better than the Clarion if the Clarion has better CD specs to start with.

And do you really think you can draw any logical conclusions from that single specification?

There is far more to ADC/DAC conversion than the sampling rate.

And even then, how much of an audible difference will it really cause?

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

Likewise Alphakenny1 , with all sincere respect , the McIntosh MX-406 is LIGHT YEARS behind the DRZ in literally EVERY way imaginable.

maybe but honestly as you know the automobile isn't the perfect location for speakers. there are so many variables to worsen the sound. to help make up for that you NEED processing. there's no way around it. if you think "if it should be done do it right." then obviously you are a home audio hobbyist rather than a car audio hobbyist because no car is the same is perfect. you must have mad skills to have equal PLD in your car. geometries of a car can effect sound in a significant way. can dual burr brown dac's make up for this? my guess is no. the drz xover features are very limited compared to compared to the h701. IIRC you were running passives, maybe the xover functions don't apply to you but to the people who run active, it does make a huge difference. it's all about flexbility and the drz alone cannot provide that especially with a 4 way active setup.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

True , the Alpine has MUCH , MUCH more flexibility in the way of set-up , but NOTHING overcomes the difference Dual Burr Brown Dacs make in a piece.

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Using lots of EQ to try and overcome the rather dry sound of the Alpine DACs is like placing a band-aid over a ******* chest wound.

Yeah.

Such a shame some of the best sounding cars in the world have used the H701.

What an improvement they'd see if they switched to the Clarion!

Pick whatever fits your budget, needs and tastes. But don't base your decision off of the sampling rate alone, or Blue's delusional-based opinion (sorry, but I personally put little value on most anything subjective that he states as he as a very slanted viewpoint which causes most of what he states to be inaccurate and/or completely biased-based...typical "elitist audiophile").

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

How many times must I say this? Instead of arguing over the clarion/alpine setups, get the Premier P9 combo and gain the advantages of both. It's a win-win.

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