Hifonics certified now equals higher prices

[duro78 10+ year member]

++1 ^ they should of kept the dsc2000 around untill the onyx dropped but i guess they planned it just about right since theyre hard to find now. Im interested to see the new line Ive never been disappointed with hifonics so it should be a nice one.

 

[Team Maxxsonics 10+ year member]

++1 ^ they should of kept the dsc2000 around untill the onyx dropped but i guess they planned it just about right since theyre hard to find now. Im interested to see the new line Ive never been disappointed with hifonics so it should be a nice one.

It's always hard to get the timing right on all models.

Ideally, we get the new models in just before the old ones are gone and it works about 90% of the time.

The DSC2000 ships with all of other Discuss models at the same time and we try to get the new line in before we run out of all models.

In this case, we sold out of DSC2000's faster then the other models so there was a small break in supply.

The new ONYX have been shipping for about a week.

 

[corrie32 10+ year member]

will we see any uniformed clamped test on any of your amps??

 

[michaellane 5,000+ posts]

i dont see the onyx being as good as the dsc2000....and if it is i dont see it being the same price....i think ill jjust wait around for someone to sell their used dsc

 

[kr15 5,000+ posts]

i dont see the onyx being as good as the dsc2000....and if it is i dont see it being the same price....i think ill jjust wait around for someone to sell their used dsc

its hard to say for sure, but Maxxsonics definately had a thing going with the DSC series, if it aint broke dont fix it. And if you do fix it, dont pass all the cost directly on to the customer. And as to the BRZ line, CEA or not, I'm not going to pay those prices when thats getting in the price range of Sundown, AQ, and even Fosgate. I trust a Fosgate amp any day over a Hifonics amp. Hifonics selling point was the great pricing. The cea doesnt mean much to me if the amps still sound like shitt. Sure, it might be a true 1200rms, but at that price you can find not only a true rms, but better sound quality.

Not to bash the new BRZ line, as I havent actually used it yet, but these are some of my preliminary concerns. I do respect the fact that the marketing guy is on here at least paying attention to feedback

 

[gunz4me2 10+ year member]

Maybe I am wrong, but compared to the authorized prices for mainstream brands, I still see value in Hifonics products, even at a higher price. Although I didn't care for the older Brutus line, the 2010 series was way better than I expected it to be. If that trend has continued, they may have produced a great product at a good price.

ETA: I see the Rockford Fosgate Power T-1500 goes for $749.99 to $899.99 authorized at Crutchfield whereas the BRZ1700.D goes for $329 authorized from onlinecarstereo. If the BRZ has continued in quality like the BXi XX10 series, I bet it would be hard to pick out the T-1500 or the BRZ1700.D in a double blind test 100% of the time.

 

[kr15 5,000+ posts]

ETA: I see the Rockford Fosgate Power T-1500 goes for $749.99 to $899.99 authorized at Crutchfield

i understand what your saying, and it is valid, but no one pays that pricing for an amp. (well most of the time)

For instance, the t1500 sells for 499 on sonic. I know its not authorized dealer, so there will be no factory warranty, I am 100% comfortable with a RF amp without warranty. Have owned numerous RF amps and all work to this day and have been beaten on. Cant say the same for Hifonics. Now, they are probly still a "good" value, but before I felt like they were a "great" value.

 

[kr15 5,000+ posts]

Question to the Maxxsonics rep..

Are all Hifonics lines now CEA, or just the BRZ? Thanks

 

[HOODAUDIO2 10+ year member]

Thank you for all of the comments regarding the new products and of course there is always a little speculation regarding a manufacturers decision to make changes so I thought I should help explain.
1. CEA2006 has nothing to do with higher prices.

2. New design with vertical heat sink cooling fins and better power supply does but it also allows the amp to run cooler, more efficient and will allow us to add bigger power models in the line such as the new BRZ3000.1D-Pro which is 3000 watts RMS and perhaps even bigger power models to come (the old design was maxxed out for heat dissapation capabilities).

3. The new HFi amps are more like old BXi models (if you are just looking for watts per dollar) and the HFi are available in A/B Class 2, 4, 5 channel and a huge line of D-lass mono amps.

4. The DSC amps are being replaced by the new ONYX amps which offer more models and the same performance. Many think the new cosmetics are a big improvement.

5. The new ZXi amps have the same cosmetic enhancements as the new BRZ and offer a huge line of full range amps including the new ZXi60.4/1k wich is a 5 channel amp with a 1000 watt D-Class mono on the back end. Again, the new design allows higher power points then the previous design.

We never make changes just to change. We are always working on improving the performance and reliability of our products and we listen to the requests of our customers in determining many of the changes.

I'm on this forum every day to not only answer questions when I can but to listen to what you have to say about our products.

I bring these requests and comments (good and bad) into product development meeting every week and we take your input very seriously.

As our customers, we truly pay attention to every thing you have to say and do our best to respond.

It's unfortunate that more manufacturers aren't here and make changes based on there customers requests but that is good for us I guess.

Any and all suggestions or comments about the new models is always appreciated and respected.

so which mb quart newer model gonna have the same amp guts as the dsc2001.d and when do they come out and are they gonna be crazy prices like the new brutus amps

 

[n2audio 5,000+ posts]

Regarding CEA-2006 cert.

From what I've been able to determine -- cea-2006 certification only applies at 4 ohms.

For example, the Kenwood kac-9104d test result at caraudiomag --

It's a cea-2006 amp. It tested at 506w at 4 ohms (500w rms rating).

Published power at 2 ohms is 900w rms. Power as tested was 644w rms.

While I like the cea-2006 standard it seems to me it needs quite a bit more tweaking in order to have a lot of value as it relates to amps that run at lower than 4 ohms.

 

[gunz4me2 10+ year member]

Regarding CEA-2006 cert.From what I've been able to determine -- cea-2006 certification only applies at 4 ohms.

For example, the Kenwood kac-9104d test result at caraudiomag --

It's a cea-2006 amp. It tested at 506w at 4 ohms (500w rms rating).

Published power at 2 ohms is 900w rms. Power as tested was 644w rms.

While I like the cea-2006 standard it seems to me it needs quite a bit more tweaking in order to have a lot of value as it relates to amps that run at lower than 4 ohms.

Isn't it 4 ohms with 14.4 volts of input and 1% distortion to qualify for CEA-2006? I know Rockford Fosgate's birth sheets claim to be measured in accordance with CEA-2006 at lower ohm loads, but, there is no standard for anything other than 4 ohms.

As for Kenwood, many of their products have a pipe dream rating at anything other than 4 ohms. The fusing usually gives them away.

 

[kr15 5,000+ posts]

For example, the Kenwood kac-9104d test result at caraudiomag --It's a cea-2006 amp. It tested at 506w at 4 ohms (500w rms rating).

Published power at 2 ohms is 900w rms. Power as tested was 644w rms.

ive always said that those Kenwoods dont do rated. Doesnt surprise me at all. And yes, on RF birth sheet it states output at lower ohms. Not sure to what standard, but Im sure we can all agree that RF does rated and then some

And im sure the BRZ will be like the kenwood..rated at 500, did 504. Its not like there gonna be underrated, doing 100s over like Fosgate and Kicker

 

[corrie32 10+ year member]

what models are you referring to as getting in the price range of sundown, AQ,and fogate. Price cmparison please??

and how can u be so sure that the BRZ line will be rated like Kenwoods.

 

[kr15 5,000+ posts]

what models are you referring to as getting in the price range of sundown, AQ,and fogate. Price cmparison please??and how can u be so sure that the BRZ line will be rated like Kenwoods.

I dont know exact model numbers, but Im generalizing that when you start at the 300$ range, you are now in a different class. You are no longer priced with Crunch, AP, and others in the "budget" range.

How can I be sure that they will be rated like Kenwood? Cea is cea. It is a set of standards that were stated above. If those arent followed, it isnt in CEA compliance. Or were you asking why I thought that they would barely clear rated?

 

[HOODAUDIO2 10+ year member]

wonderng if i should wait for mb quart new amp line or just go with a lanzar opti2000d or aq2200d when they get them back in stock