Hey Christians

[bunkerking09 10+ year member]

Where does it say that in the bible?

The book of Psalms, i'll find the exact location in a minute.

The instance is when David loses a child, he talks to God and God tells him that he will see his son in heaven because he did not have the chance to know Him.

 

[krisfnbz 10+ year member]

Of course. You should be in hell for all eternity. God is great!

I guess I will be going to hell then. I don't think I am ever going to believe in god, but that doesn't mean im going to be the most horrible person ever. I will still continue to live my life in a giving way. In my life I will believe what I want, not believe what I want, do what I want whenever I want, as long as whatever I do in my life does not physically harm or emotionally harm someone else thats all that matters.

Pretty much I wouldn't want to believe in a god that "forces" me to believe in him before I die, even though I have been a truly good person throughout my lifetime. I think me being a good person throughout my life should enable me to go to "heaven' if their is indeed a heaven to go to.

So a good person wont go to heaven if he does not believe in god, and a bad person will go to heaven if he has committed many many sins, but asks for forgiveness? Just doesnt make sense to me.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

This is why babies and children have a free pass.

You do realize not all Christians believe this, and had not believed it throughout most of history, correct?

This is why when a child was thought they were not going to make it, nurses would baptize the child right there on the spot and without the parents consent (or even knowledge in most cases). If the child then lived and were not raised Christian but were known to have been baptized the Church could then come take the child to give them a "proper" upbringing.

Yeah, good times.

Miss the old days.

 

[krisfnbz 10+ year member]

Correct, you have been given the chance to follow God, and you have "turned your back" so to speak. By not following believing in God you have told him that he is not good enough for you, that him sacrificing his son for you was not enough.

Okay I understand. In my opinion I think that is pretty stupid, because "he" is putting WORDS in my **** mouth.

 

[bunkerking09 10+ year member]

I guess I will be going to hell then. I don't think I am ever going to believe in god, but that doesn't mean im going to be the most horrible person ever. I will still continue to live my life in a giving way. In my life I will believe what I want, not believe what I want, do what I want whenever I want, as long as whatever I do in my life does not physically harm or emotionally harm someone else thats all that matters.
Pretty much I wouldn't want to believe in a god that "forces" me to believe in him before I die, even though I have been a truly good person throughout my lifetime. I think me being a good person throughout my life should enable me to go to "heaven' if their is indeed a heaven to go to.

So a good person wont go to heaven if he does not believe in god, and a bad person will go to heaven if he has committed many many sins, but asks for forgiveness? Just doesnt make sense to me.

God doesn't force anyone to believe in him. You are a prime example of someone who has exercised the fact that you have a choice to believe in him or not.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

One of my favourite things about god is the way that you can define him however you see fit.

In my opinion, the most perfect being values inquisitive thinking above blind faith. Now prove that one wrong....

 

[bunkerking09 10+ year member]

One of my favourite things about god is the way that you can define him however you see fit.
In my opinion, the most perfect being values inquisitive thinking above blind faith. Now prove that one wrong....

How can we prove something wrong that is an opinion?

 

[krisfnbz 10+ year member]

God doesn't force anyone to believe in him. You are a prime example of someone who has exercised the fact that you have a choice to believe in him or not.

Its like I could be a really good person and not believe in god, and witness a drug dealer about to murder a kid, and I try and save the kid and end up losing my life and I go to hell because I did not believe in god, that theory just doesnt sit with me well.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

And all the arguments for or against god in the world will never prove why any rational person would choose one religion over another.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

One of my favourite things about god is the way that you can define him however you see fit.

It's a foolproof plan, eh?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

How can we prove something wrong that is an opinion?

Well I know you can't. That was part of the point.

Do you believe that is less probable?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

In my opinion, the most perfect being values inquisitive thinking above blind faith. Now prove that one wrong....

A god as jealous and egotistical as the Christian god, who denounces reason and requires blind faith, if he does exist, is not a god I would want to worship.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

If people are doing good things for an invisible man in the sky (especially when man is interpreting what is good), it is very different from doing good things for the people who need it just because they need help. Surely you understand the difference?

if the end result it the same, and you take God out of the mix. the reason for the act doesn't matter at all, the only thing to measure is the result.

Surely you understand that!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

if the end result it the same, and you take God out of the mix. the reason for the act doesn't matter at all, the only thing to measure is the result.
Surely you understand that!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

But that's where you're wrong.

Yes, the result is the most important part.

But when the mechanism to get there relies on man-made fallacy, you are opening yourself up to a lot of risk. Now, instead of helping a person in god's name, you're stoning a person to death in god's name. Whereas helping a person for the sake of helping them can never be misconstrued. It's a bit of a slippery slope.

 

[DownSouth954 10+ year member]

Morality can exist without the aid of religion.