Hey Christians

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

that didnt help my christmas or easter. i do not believe in santa or the easter bunny anymore than i did before //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif
and about the tax... ive only taken micro and macroeconomics.... im going to go with........ yes haha

Believe what you want to believe....the payoff is higher for believing because it is geater than zero.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

[/b]and that statement right there is one of my biggest theories about religion. to me it seems maybe religion was created to give people something to look forward to. to give people that security blanket that everything will be ok and that everything happens for a reason.

if thats the truth than your god sucks. you are losing your home, your kid is retarded, he lets successful young people like that pitcher for the angels (ironic i know) get killed by some loser drunk driver, and he allowed catholic priests to **** young children.

the other day i saw on the news a guy here from cleveland. he got drunk, drove, slammed into a woman that was standing behind her car getting something out of her trunk. pinned her between both cars paralyzing her. you know what he had the nerve in court to say. that it really wasnt his fault that god does everything for a reason.... then i though, wow, if that judge truly believes in god this guy should get off for what he did. technically that is true, god did that not him...... convenient huh?

i just think that thousands of years ago people didnt have anything to live for. they lived to survive. therefore its very believable to me to think it was created so those people had something to live for and be happy about.

and again thats my opinion and just a theory but to me its more believable than the talking snake, burning bush, jonah and the whale and jesus rising from the dead.

There is not Good with our bad, there is no hate without happiness... Our minds are too finite to understand thewisdom of God, hence faith.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

I see nothing wrong with religion as a mechanism for hope. Even if it is a crock....what's the big deal?

there is nothing wrong with it one bit. if it were that than great, admit that. instead we are forced to try and believe in fairy tales.. any relgious person ive met when i tell them i dont believe they act like i just said the worst thing in the world and then try and force me to believe.....and then we get people that try and say there is proof this all happened. thats what bothers me. it bothers me when people tell me the sky is green when clearly its blue......

thats one of my many flaws. i always have to be right. whether its someone telling me that red is blue and blue is red, or some crazy story of jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich, if the story is unbelievable i cant believe it.

i have to see it to believe it, i have to have proof and how anyone could believe something blindly without proof boggles my mind is all. and then how the hell did they get so many people to believe with no proof whatsoever? if i told you my friend was killed and then at his funeral he just rose out of his casket and was ok you wouldnt believe me at all. how can people believe jesus did?

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

edit: double post... stupid lag...

Flip, it sounds like you are just saying what i laugh at everyone else for saying. you are telling me i should believe just in case. i think that is a crock.

 

[idunnowhat 10+ year member]

Because he is God, your friend is not.

 

[Magz_rule 10+ year member]

So today your jebus was nailed on a wood plank to die for you so you can fly to live with him on the clouds and be happy ever after.
It always amazes me how many of you still believe this. I mean, can you prove any of this?

Sigh... So ignorant

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

here is my stance on the issue.

I believe because I want to believe, I do not force my thoughts on anyone else. A few people in the begining of this thread mentioned that I waste my life by believing...

Thats your own belief, why force it onto me, or waste my time by telling I am wrong.

I live my life to the fullest, All I know is my faith, And someone telling my that I am not living my life "right" because I believe, is no different than someone telling you that you are living incorrectly by not believing in christ.

If this has been said, im sorry only read the first page

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

this thread's gonna end up closed like the one earlier today.
Try this on for size, if you believe you believe. if you don't you don't.

Best post in this thread.....period!

here is my stance on the issue.
I believe because I want to believe, I do not force my thoughts on anyone else. A few people in the begining of this thread mentioned that I waste my life by believing...

Thats your own belief, why force it onto me, or waste my time by telling I am wrong.

I live my life to the fullest, All I know is my faith, And someone telling my that I am not living my life "right" because I believe, is no different than someone telling you that you are living incorrectly by not believing in christ.

If this has been said, im sorry only read the first page

Another good one.

By the way, I don't know what to believe. I am in the middle I guess and not very religous at all, but I have had a lot of shit happen to me that was bad early in life and feel like someone was looking over me, but then other times I feel like no way there is a god to let other stuff happen in the world.

Like most people say, nobody can fully understand how it all works thats why people have their faith.

Me, I believe in a guess a higher power, but I don't pray, I don't go to church....so I guess I am confused, but see no point in going to a church and what not to believe. If I want too, I will, if not.....then I won't. That simple IMO.

Same broken record when these come up anyway.

 

[maddskillzz 10+ year member]

Here is the thing that amazes me about non-believers..they say we cant prove anything about god or that he exists or how we were all created..so with that said they would prefer to believe that a couple billion years ago there was a big explosion in space, the chunk of rock we call earth just happened to fall the exact right distance from the sun and cool down. Then after it cooled all sorts of life started forming and taking shape, some climbing outta the blob of sea that was here to evolve into man. And there just happened to be plants growing to put off oxygen that the new creatures needed to live.

So you can say what you want but to me the bible is just as if not more believable than the fairy tale of the big bang theory.

I personally believe and think its really sad for those who don't. What keeps your life in check? If there are no consequences for your actions what drives you to be a decent person?

Ok i have said enough....But next time you think you are in the majority who doesnt believe, pull out a dollar bill and you can read "In God We Trust"

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

Here is the thing that amazes me about non-believers..they say we cant prove anything about god or that he exists or how we were all created..so with that said they would prefer to believe that a couple billion years ago there was a big explosion in space, the chunk of rock we call earth just happened to fall the exact right distance from the sun and cool down. Then after it cooled all sorts of life started forming and taking shape, some climbing outta the blob of sea that was here to evolve into man. And there just happened to be plants growing to put off oxygen that the new creatures needed to live.
So you can say what you want but to me the bible is just as if not more believable than the fairy tale of the big bang theory.

I personally believe and think its really sad for those who don't. What keeps your life in check? If there are no consequences for your actions what drives you to be a decent person?

Ok i have said enough....But next time you think you are in the majority who doesnt believe, pull out a dollar bill and you can read "In God We Trust"

The Bible.......How many Bibles are out in the marketplace?

Each having it's own thoughts as to what they believe is true.....

And in aswer to your question YES I do believe big bangs,rocks,goo,explosions from space etc etc.........all could be possible......

BTW since your a God believer,who created God? I have the answer,HUMANS created God,because they could not and still can not fathom there no one responsible for there exsistance

HOWEVER..........Believe what you want,Its all good I like all people no matter

what they believe.........Where as you Christains condemn anyone who is not

 

[maddskillzz 10+ year member]

The Bible.......How many Bibles are out in the marketplace?Each having it's own thoughts as to what they believe is true.....

And in aswer to your question YES I do believe big bangs,rocks,goo,explosions from space etc etc.........all could be possible......

BTW since your a God believer,who created God? I have the answer,HUMANS created God,because they could not and still can not fathom there no one responsible for there exsistance

HOWEVER..........Believe what you want,Its all good I like all people no matter

what they believe.........Where as you Christains condemn anyone who is not

You have the right to believe whatever you want dude!! I didnt down any non-believers..i was just stating my thoughts...

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

so with that said they would prefer to believe

It's not a "belief" in the same sense as religion belief. It's the best hypothesis supported by scientific evidence and our observations of the universe.

that a couple billion years ago

A couple billion?

The current observations support an age of 13.5 - 14 billion. That's 7x longer than you indicate //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

there was a big explosion in space,

"Big Bang" is a misnomer. There wasn't a bang (no space for sound to travel) and it wasn't big (the point that exploded was infinitesimally small).

And it didn't occur in space, there was no space for it to occur in. The "big bang" created space //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

the chunk of rock we call earth just happened to fall the exact right distance from the sun and cool down.

A big chunk of rock didn't just fall into place. The short story is that "space dust" gathered around stars gradually coalesced into clumps of material to form planets/etc.

But you don't image that with billions and billions of stars, billions and billions of planets and billions and billions of years that some of these planets would have fallen within the "goldie locks zone" ? The statistics are that we are but one of millions or billions of planets within these zones.

With our present understanding of "extremophiles" it is likewise not at all impossible that life could form or be sustained on planets less like our own.

Then after it cooled all sorts of life started forming and taking shape, some climbing outta the blob of sea that was here to evolve into man. And there just happened to be plants growing to put off oxygen that the new creatures needed to live.

Millions to billions of years after it cooled. And you wouldn't expect to see oxygen breathing life forms on a planet devoid of oxygen, would you?

If we didn't have an oxygen atmosphere, oxygen breathing life would not have evolved. But who is to say that no life would have evolved? It simply wouldn't be the life we see here today. That doesn't mean that a life form different from what we are familiar with wouldn't have evolved, that by evolution and natural selection was able to thrive in the environment from which it found itself in.

We humans are here because of our environment, evolution and natural selection. If the environment was different, we wouldn't have evolved the way we have. We are a product of our surroundings. Nothing more.

So you can say what you want but to me the bible is just as if not more believable than the fairy tale of the big bang theory.

The "fairy tale" of the big bang is the hypothesis that fits all of our experiments and observations of the natural world and universe. If you have a better hypothesis that currently fits all observed data and is supported by the experimental evidence, by all means put it forth.

Here is a pretty good revision of Genesis as it should read;

http://www.michaelshermer.com/2001/12/genesis-revisited/

and think its really sad for those who don't.

You shouldn't.

What keeps your life in check?

Morals, both personal and social.

If there are no consequences for your actions what drives you to be a decent person?

Personal and social morals.

Are you're telling me if you didn't believe in the Christian God, you would be a raping, mass murdering, pillaging thief? That's exactly what you're telling me if you don't think you could be a decent person without belief in god. I feel more sorry for you than you should feel for me.

But next time you think you are in the majority who doesnt believe,

I don't think any non-believer deludes themselves with the idea they are a "majority"

pull out a dollar bill and you can read "In God We Trust"

You would be better off reading some of the quotes from our founding fathers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[M Cook 10+ year member]

Oh and one more question...what church isnt about the money? Not only is it a business, but even the bible says to tithe 20% of your income so you can be blessed. Its like a built in money maker guarantee for the idiotic.

10%. And most of our churches money goes to missions.

Money goes to paying off the building, bills, pays the employees, and such.

But, not so you can be blessed, if you give with that thought you will receive nothing.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Please note that Chruches are where our schools and hospitals came from. The fact that "church is a business or money maker is not evil. The fact that we live in a world of money requires the churchs to need it.

 

[terra 5,000+ posts]

believing in God is fine when it pushes the believer to do good in the community. Believing in God is bad if it makes the believer a pompous ***. I can't tolerate people who breach what I must believe, or try to convert people.

Also, what if a person is living by themselves their whole life? Never heard of God so how is it fair to say he should go to hell?

BS IMO