Hey Christians

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

Prove to me your mother loves you...then tell me faith is wrong

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Prove to me your mother loves you...then tell me faith is wrong

Well for starters, my mother regularly tells me she loves me. And she also does actions that demonstrate that; actions that I see her do.

Very different planes, my friend.

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

And simply telling me that she told you that she loves you doesn't count...after all humans lie.

She loves you because you believe she loves you, and through your experiences through life...

Telling me I'm living my life wrong is just as wrong as me telling you, that you are living yours wrong...I cannot believe that some of you cannot see the hypocrisy in your arguments.

I have faith because I want to have faith...that does not make me ignorant...I am quite educated, and find it insulting that just because you think that you can read a freshman level science book that it makes some of you experts in the field of physics.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

And though there is some evidence from people like Pascal Boyer that the belief in god is perhaps innate in us, the relationship between parent and child is COMPLETELY innate and natural in almost every animal ever on the face of the earth. I doubt that any serious person would say that needs further demonstration.

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

I have faith in god through experiences that I have in life, through things I see (and no im not talking about near death experiences or glowing lights)

and do not take this as an insult, but your mothers word is no stronger than anything written in the bible. how do you know that she isn't lying to you, like you say the bible is lying to christians.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Agnostic here...

nG

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

And simply telling me that she told you that she loves you doesn't count...after all humans lie.
She loves you because you believe she loves you, and through your experiences through life...

Telling me I'm living my life wrong is just as wrong as me telling you, that you are living yours wrong...I cannot believe that some of you cannot see the hypocrisy in your arguments.

I have faith because I want to have faith...that does not make me ignorant...I am quite educated, and find it insulting that just because you think that you can read a freshman level science book that it makes some of you experts in the field of physics.

My mother tells me she loves me, she shows affection tword me, she helps me out unconditionally and inconsequentially when I mess up. She proves her love over and over by actions I can see and feel.

Your god shows none of these.

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

just as those who believe that GOD is the father...thus making it a parent child relationship.

I do not take my beliefs to the extreme, but when you say I am going through life blinded by my ignorance, I take offense to that.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

And if my mother is possibly lying to me through actions I can see and mistake for love...how do you know your god loves you when you cant even determine these by evidence. You simply have to believe based on a book written by a man who isnt your god.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

if the end result it the same, and you take God out of the mix. the reason for the act doesn't matter at all, the only thing to measure is the result.
Surely you understand that!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Nice avatar christian....

nG

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

My mother tells me she loves me, she shows affection tword me, she helps me out unconditionally and inconsequentially when I mess up. She proves her love over and over by actions I can see and feel.
Your god shows none of these.

well here is where we are going to have to agree to disagree, because there are instances in my life where I have felt comforted and felt affection. In the case of relatives passing away, and close friends, without my faith I couldn't of made it through those times.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

And simply telling me that she told you that she loves you doesn't count...after all humans lie.

Of course. They lie when they write things on paper 40 years after the fact, too. That said, there is at least a better demonstration of the claim in the instance of the mother than there is in the istance of the god.

Telling me I'm living my life wrong is just as wrong as me telling you, that you are living yours wrong...I cannot believe that some of you cannot see the hypocrisy in your arguments.

As a simple analogy, would it be wrong to tell a person who beats their children that what they're doing is wrong? Obviously that is an extrapolation, but at least we have eliminated the argument that no person can judge another person.

Pushing faith on a person is wrong because there is no way you can justify it; pushing rationality is completely different. It is this incapacity for critical thinking and rational deduction that causes a lot of damage, and not just through religion, either.

No one is saying god is impossible; though he is improbable, it is dogmatic religion that is most ludicrous. And thus, Christianity, Easter, and this thread.

I have faith because I want to have faith...that does not make me ignorant...I am quite educated, and find it insulting that just because you think that you can read a freshman level science book that it makes some of you experts in the field of physics.

I think the part where you showed your ignorance was the last part of this sentence.

 

[Notloud00 10+ year member]

If people are doing good things for an invisible man in the sky (especially when man is interpreting what is good), it is very different from doing good things for the people who need it just because they need the help. Surely you understand the difference?

this is exactly how i think. i do good because it is good not because god says so.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I have faith in god through experiences that I have in life, through things I see (and no im not talking about near death experiences or glowing lights)

Share with us these experiences. The idea of personal revelation is absolute hogwash. The fact that the idea of god offered you comfort when someone passed away is not in the least evidence of his existence; in fact, it is perfect evidence of our innate desire to invent god for our own comfort.

and do not take this as an insult, but your mothers word is no stronger than anything written in the bible. how do you know that she isn't lying to you, like you say the bible is lying to christians.

At the very least, my evidence is first-hand.

 

[finkster 10+ year member]

Many people make the mistake of believing the Bible says, “You shall not kill,” and seek to apply this command to war. However, the Bible actually says, “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13). The Hebrew word literally means “the intentional, premeditated killing of another person with malice.” God often ordered the Israelites to go to war with other nations (1 Samuel 15:3; Joshua 4:13). God ordered the death penalty for numerous crimes (Exodus 21:12; 21:15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So, God is not against killing in all circumstances, but rather only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war with them.

War is a terrible thing. War is always the result of sin (Romans 3:10-18). In the Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to: “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). See also Deuteronomy 20:16-17, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Exodus 17:16 proclaims, “He said, ‘For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation.’" Also, 1 Samuel 15:18 says, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” So, obviously God is not against all war. Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).

Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Revelation 19:11-21 describes the ultimate war with Christ the conquering commander who judges and makes war, but “with justice” (v. 11). It’s going to be bloody (v. 13) and gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18). He has no compassion upon His enemies who He will conquer completely, and He consigns them to a “fiery lake of burning sulfur” (v. 20).

It is an error to say that God never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist. In a world filled with evil people, sometimes a war is necessary to prevent even greater evil. If Hitler had not been defeated by World War II, how many more millions would have been killed? If the Civil War had not been fought, how much longer would African-Americans have had to suffer as slaves? We must all remember to base our beliefs of the Bible, not on our emotions (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Ecclesiastes 3:8 declares, “there is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. In a world filled with sin, hatred, and evil (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Some wars are more “just” than others, but all wars are ultimately the result of sin. Christians should not desire war, but neither are Christians to oppose the government God has placed in authority over them (Romans 13:1-4; 1 Peter 2:17). The most important thing we can be doing in a time of war is to be praying for godly wisdom for our leaders, praying for the safety of our military, praying for quick resolution to the conflict, and praying for minimum casualties on both sides of the conflict (Philippians 4:6-7).