I've read the first page, and found lots of mis-information. The SRT-4 does NOT have a stock Neon engine with a turbo. It's a different engine altogether. Stock neon is a 2.0, SRT is a 2.4 turbo. First off, I think they are a marvel in terms of torque. Very few 4-bangers make more torque that HP, and of this, I am a fan. I drive a taurus SHO, so I get alot of "it's just a Taurus" when it is, in fact, completely different. In essence, the same, but restyled, and reworked mechanically, to make a different car. The SRT-4 is actually a very sharp looking car, with very nice stock wheels, and styling. I don't see anything wrong with them. People can hate on Dodge all they want, they make much better cars than what people give them credit for. Are all of they cars good? Fuck no. Do Mercedes and BMW make a shitty car every now and again? Yes. You can't judge a company in whole, by a few errors. For every error Dodge has made in judgment or design, they've made quite a few good decisions as well. The car is rated at 230hp/250tq, and I've seen STOCK ones, put down 223hp/250tq to the wheels. I've seen one put down 248hp to the wheels with just a couple bolt ons.