Help Building A Sq System

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

First off pg stuff isnt crap. They have had a few problems here and their, but that expected with new released products. The xenon is hardly crap. Another thing if you havent heard it, then you couldnt call it crap. But since you mention the idmax, then I will put the elite against it any day of the week, and win, and yes ive heard both.
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like i said mack - objective. dont worry about it. just my oppinion.

 

[Mackenzie 10+ year member]

Yea I may be geared more towards pg, but everyone else on this forum seems to be geared towards re, or pa. We all like what we like, but the point is pg isnt crap, and I would back up any good company if someone were to bad mouth them.

 

[dabossofbosses 10+ year member]

i also was wondering would i need rearfill for this system or not... i was reading in another sq thread he took out his rear fill for sq purposes....

 

[Mackenzie 10+ year member]

Rear fill will work fine. They say it takes away from front stage imaging, but I wouldnt worry about it.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Blah......only reason to use rear fill is if you frequently carry rear seat passengers. Beyond that, I wouldn't use them.

 

[AzGrower 10+ year member]

Phoenix Gold makes some of the best components you can buy, the Titanium Elite series comps will blow your mind away. BUt also your bank account...Great company

 

[Mackenzie 10+ year member]

x2 finally someone on the same page as me!

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

the leds make it sound better but here is a little sumthin for you mac run an idmax in about any box you want (even ib) and have excellent sq. i heard the elite it isnt "that special its good but...and i know of 3 dealers that dropped pg within the last 3 years 2 were over the xeon series going up in smoke. sure they might have fixxed it but like soundstream (10.0) its a long road back.

 

[Logikalliquid 10+ year member]

The Titanium Elite Series isnt made by Phoenix Gold btw. I'm not sure on the subs, but the comps are made by Morel Israel IIRC. I wasn't impressed with the Xenon subs when I heard them, I'd say it is on par with the ID series subs.

EDIT: I didn't do a full sonic review on those Xenons so don't bash me if I sound way off.

But back on topic... As far as a good SQ system goes, you'll do fine with most half decent equipment is you just install it properly and get that stage sitting right on your dashboard. I'll +1 the vote for an IDMAX, or maybe one of the many used SI Magnums that are going to hit the market soon.

 

[Mackenzie 10+ year member]

pg isnt gone like soundstream. They have fell a little, but have hardly fell off like many other companies have. Their subs still have that old pg sq that was their in the early 90's. I should know because I have alot of the old, and new subs lying around. The sound hasnt changed, one bit. The reason why pg has been hated on so much recently is because of the cosmetics of their new amps, and subs, which has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with sound quality what so ever. Ive owned the tantrums, titaniums, and im now working on a loud daily system with 4 octane zr 12s, and I will tell you that the new subs, and amps sound just as good as the old ones. Yes people may yap on about how they wish the titaniums were still here, and I will tell you I wish they were here also, but the titanium souned no better than the new xenons. This is often why many dealers have dropped them. And another thing have you heard it powered correctly. The elite is very ineficient, and it works best off 1500-2000 watts, but when it gets it, it sounds much louder, and better than my old w7 12 I had imo. I never said the id wasnt a good sub, I know it is. Nothing against jl either, I sell them, and they are great.

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

Yea I may be geared more towards pg, but everyone else on this forum seems to be geared towards re, or pa. We all like what we like, but the point is pg isnt crap, and I would back up any good company if someone were to bad mouth them.

Ive heard both the xenon 12" sub and 6.5" xenon components. A JL 12w6 will hand the xenon 12" its *** in both SQ AND SPL, no doubts there. The sub had problems going into sub 35hz frequencies in the rec. sealed box with 600wrms, so dont feed me any bull shit about the wrong box...

The 6.5" components ran off a 100x2 xenon x100.2 sounded ok. Midbass was nice, still lacking though. The tweeter, OMG, sucked horribly. Sounded way to muffled and we even tryed reflecting them off the glass to brighten them up a bit and nothing...

Theres my honest review, and i think PG is a great company but they screwed up on the Xenon line.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lol 1500 watts for1 sub is nuts but i did hear a pair on 2 memphis 1500's sounded alot like a w7 but played higher great for home theater imo lol

 

[AzGrower 10+ year member]

The Titanium Elite Series isnt made by Phoenix Gold btw. I'm not sure on the subs, but the comps are made by Morel Israel IIRC.

And your point is what? I can start quite a long list about some brands that have equipment produced for them via other manufacturers...here a few for you to chew on:

eD amps are produced by Avionixx

Arc Audio KAR and eD subs are produced by Image Dynamics

Sound Splinter subs used 90% of the same parts as the RE subs

The new CDT 07 series comps utilize a Vifa made tweeter

Back in the day I had a set of ///Alpine 6062 comps, in which the driver was produced by DynAudio

eD comps (at least earlier versions) were the exact same as the CDT Audio speakers

USD Audio has DynAudio produce thier xover units for the waveguide comp sets...

I could go on and on...

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

eD amps are produced by Avionixx

Not quite, just the same heat sink, completely different and not made by the same company IIRC.....