Okay, here it goes, I've ragged on them before, but I've got somewhat of a new take. My sister has had a pair of Volf. 12's for about 6 months now. I wasn't impressed with them at first, but she got a new amp, and they sound pretty loud. Still lack SQ, but before I wasn't even impressed with the SPL. She still isn't pushing the rated RMS, but I don't think they will get much louder. I still believe my brother's Bazookas are louder and have better SQ, than the VOlf's. But then again, I installed the Bazookas, I didn't install the Volf's, and I didn't take the time to examine the install.