I'm proposing a forum for installers. Do you have countless customers walking in that are professional installers? I doubt it.Perhaps you rocket scientists will understand a little better when you own your own stereo shop and derive your sole source of living from it. Nothing like telling people how to do it themselves and put you out of a job at the same time. Again, I too have helped out countless people on these forums and I will continue to do so, but not at the expense of cutting my own throat.