For the last time, PLEASE: clipping does NOT blow speakers/subwoofers

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Holy running in circles batman. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Heat. Is produced by clipping. Will cause failure. Any questions? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[ultimate157 5,000+ posts]

Holy running in circles batman. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
Heat. Is produced by clipping. Will cause failure. Any questions? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

Heat isn't produced by clipping, electricity passing through a conductor with resistance causes heat.

 

[audioarsonal 10+ year member]

If you can't take the heat.....Get your coils out the kitchen!

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

or get the **** outta here!

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

Refer to my post on page 10 as to how it becomes higher than 1500w.

ahhhh, i see now.

that would make sense why the tone used which was -6db resulted in 1500w clamped. the music was not clamped (because i would think its too hard to try to get actual numbers from fast paced music) so i just assumed it wasnt clipping. i guess it could very well be that the music was at a different level than -6db, which caused the amp to pour out a lot more power and clipping, all the while i assumed it was the act of clipping that was causing the speaker to reach thermal limits, when in actuality it was the power caused by the clipped signal that was doing it, which of course, wouldnt be 1500w anymore. my post probably is worded weird and ****, but trust me, i finally understand you guys

wow, i just had an epiphany lol

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

if youre woofer was in china when clipping caused the earthquake, there is a good chance that clipping blew your speaker //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

Oh fo' real? My cuz's JLs put out like fo THOUSAND watts son, MAX too. I mean that shit be like BLAM BLAM BLAM like a ****in hurricane in the trunk, know what 'm sayin?

lemon.

do you own a car yet?

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

but this bring up a new topic, although technically its not really the clipping that is blowing the speaker...the excess power is a result of it no?

in my eyes, i would still consider clipping guilty by association

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Heat isn't produced by clipping, electricity passing through a conductor with resistance causes heat.

Clipping causes more heat? Is that better for you? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

And yes I am well aware of the bibles posted regarding soft clipping, tube clipping, blah, blah.

But I can sit here and blow a speaker by clipping the shit out of it. There simply is no ifs ands or buts about it.

 

[audioarsonal 10+ year member]

Guilt by association.Gets em every time.

But I do agree had the clipping not occured then the access heat would not be there to cause failure correct?

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

but this bring up a new topic, although technically its not really the clipping that is blowing the speaker...the excess power is a result of it no?
in my eyes, i would still consider clipping guilty by association

Its the heat. Thus the term thermal failure. Yes it can be caused by clipping but not always.

Its semantics. People will argue circles around each other saying basically the same thing but just dont get the point.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

Its the heat. Thus the term thermal failure. Yes it can be caused by clipping but not always.
Its semantics. People will argue circles around each other saying basically the same thing but just dont get the point.

well yes, its the heat, which is coming from the excess power.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif just playing with ya. i know what you mean.

 

[ultimate157 5,000+ posts]

but this bring up a new topic, although technically its not really the clipping that is blowing the speaker...the excess power is a result of it no?
in my eyes, i would still consider clipping guilty by association

That's what we've been saying //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The reason this is so hotly debated is because it is not fully understood. You can have a clipped signal which results in over powering the speaker and thermally destroying the voice coil. You can also have a clipped signal that results in a bad sound, but zero bad effect to the driver.

There is plenty of square wave material in music.

This is the reason I will never say clipping hurts a driver. There is more than one scenario that will result in clipping, and at the same time will NOT have any physical effect on sub/speaker.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

That's what we've been saying //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
The reason this is so hotly debated is because it is not fully understood. You can have a clipped signal which results in over powering the speaker and thermally destroying the voice coil. You can also have a clipped signal that results in a bad sound, but zero bad effect to the driver.

There is plenty of square wave material in music.

This is the reason I will never say clipping hurts a driver. There is more than one scenario that will result in clipping, and at the same time will NOT have any physical effect on sub/speaker.

i agree. i was in that boat.

on another note, i usually assume people power 2000w subs with 2000w amps, so i think saying "make sure the amp doesn't clip cause it can kill it" is the right thing to do. at least in my eyes.

 

[maldecido33 10+ year member]

teh MATHZ

I already beat you illustrating the math behind it, albeit not as technically //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif