they joined the wrong hazing frat. . . . i mean a good reputable fraternity would never do things in that nature to even risk loosing thier charter. . . without that then fraternities can't really exist. . . and about the others who alientated thier real friends. . . its not that at all, its that during your pledge process (if there is one) your 1st semester with you brothers is something surely unforgettable. . . fraternity RITUAL is something that can't be discussed and people take great pride in that. . . they probably and most likely went through so much in thier 1st semester that they realized a bigger connection with thier fraternity brothers. No offense at all, it's just the stuff that fraternity ritual does. . .