fatmat or edead 45?

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

i'm not sure what edead uses now and I really don't care to. I won't get fooled twice, that'll be shame on me.
I remember when they people brought up that bad batch crap. Plain and simple, by default, it was a bad batch since it had asphalt.

What na_rsx doesn't know what I did not once refer the SDS test in this thread. As stated by Rudy, he does not know what's in the new edead. Failure to read? Selective reading? asperger's? I'm not sure what your problem is.

What this discussion really is practically about asphalt vs. butyl. Fatmat = asphalt. Does it stick? maybe. Does it deaden? nowhere close to butyl in performance.

Oh boy, you said not once did you bring it up, but you said that you read their posts and they have actual facts, etc. Well where do you think they got those facts, from the test. You dont have to bring it up, but when you say "they have tested it and it failed, etc" thats from the test.

Not once did I say you should buy the new edead, like you said that be shame on you. But i am sure a new test with the new stuff will solve all problems, when it comes down to stopping vibrations, sticking easily, thickness, etc.

I know Rudy can do a good job with a new test, but not sure if he would want to, and if he doesnt, then he cant knock the new stuff since he has never tried it. And his facts are based on an old version of edead, and thats where everybody that says edead sucks gets their info from. Majority if anything.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

That's true, who knows what their "new and improved" stuff is and can do. I like to think of my self as warrior for truth and honesty in product sales. Who knows, maybe our pressure will get them to make something decent?? If ED had a fantastic product, my feeling is it would sell itself...like any great product. But, that's not the case...it just bad press all the time (excluding the tendency of an enormous ED hater group that always pops up when their products are brought up.)

What I do know is that the original eDead (v1 i think) was just like Protecto Wrap's roofing repair tape; both of which are still in my car today. This is how and why I know about all of these products - I've actually used them. Actually, I've propably REMOVED more "deadening" than many have installed. Just where I come from, here.

When you deconstruct V1 you will find a thin rubberized asphalt layer bonded to PLASTIC and then a foil-like "constraining" layer that's probably mylar. That's an asphalt | plastic | mylar/foil sandwich. So you have a very thin layer of plastic seperating the part of the "deadener" that's supposed to deaden from the constraining layer that's responsible for reducing the shear of the whole system. That's like putting Crisco on your shoes before you go rock climbing.

Let me ask you something, if you take thin plastic like the plastic wrap you use in your kitchen, how difficult is it to stretch? Not the hefty quality stuff, the super cheap stuff. How much constraining can very thin plastic do? This is why, IMHO, Rudy has to use 6-10x the asphalt-plastic "deadener" to match a butyl-foil honest to Jesus damping product even at the same mass! So put that in your pipe and smoke it those that have been sold the notion that "deadening" is "mass loading."

 

[Psycareyo 10+ year member]

I started to read through all this but quickly gave up.

If you're interested in some TESTED FACTS check out this link: http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/

This guy spent some serious time doing some pretty cool tests.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

asphalt is shitty for car audio dampening. The SDS test was not need to find that out.

 

[ctt0002 10+ year member]

I don't know much about deadning but if it can stand the temp then why is it so bad? Does it get above 120 degrees in some areas?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I started to read through all this but quickly gave up.
If you're interested in some TESTED FACTS check out this link: http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/

This guy spent some serious time doing some pretty cool tests.

That guy is a raging psychopath! Who the hell does he think he is!?!? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I don't know much about deadning but if it can stand the temp then why is it so bad? Does it get above 120 degrees in some areas?

Because not even the "BEST" deadener on the market damps very much at all at 120* F. Structural damping is temperature-dependent. A damper's ability to do it's job goes way down in as temperature deviates from about room temperature. That's a fact, no my opinion. The temp tests are good for showing adhesion and longevity, not damping performance. The ill-advised deadener shopper typically has no clue about this.

Dynamat Extreme, a very good damping product, is ~3x LESS effective at 120*F than it is at 70*F. That's why I always say, "If you live in San Diego, you have nothing to worry about." http://dynamat.com/technical_specs_dynamat_xtreme.html

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

That guy is a raging psychopath! Who the hell does he think he is!?!? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

I Heard he eats the flesh of small children to preserve his youth.

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

asphalt is shitty for car audio dampening. The SDS test was not need to find that out.

Actually it was needed.

I was on this very forum preaching the truth about asphalt vs butyl and eventually had to give up. Many of the forum members tried calling me out as a vendor that was jealous of the high quality and low cost of asphalt. They saw me as a greedy company owner that was simply bad mouthing the competition to gain sales.

I gave up trying to explain the differences and a year or so later Rudy published the SDS. eventually people started jumping on the idea, and the majority has now switched roles.

Without the 3rd party testing, people would still be defending a toxic, smelly and inferior product simply because it saved them $.50 psf.

ANT

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

there should be a sticky that says "never create a thread about ED because everyone hates it even though most never owned it and just hopped on bandwagon haters"
get tired of hearing the same shit from FoxPro and Rudy, even Ant. they will do and say anything to prove their point, even though they make themselves look like idiots.

honestly TS its up to you, i have a good small amount of fatmat and and a lot of edead in my hatch and it has done me good for the past 2 years. most will say the same that own edead.

Im insulted you dont include me in your list of idiots.
Frankly, Im tired of repeating the same stuff to you in every one of these threads. Tell me this makes me look bad all you want, I dont care anymore, Im with Foxpro.... you sir, are an idiot.

You've been reminded adhesion is not the only aspect that makes a damping mat viable, many many times before. Yet in every one of these threads you come back with the same flawed arguments, nd claim the guys with the math, the science and the well documented testing are the ones just riding a bandwagon. So, you either have a personal and hidden agenda that has nothing to do with the truth... or you are just an idiot.

Grasp for reality, you've lost it.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Also not sure, but Rudy i know you did an amazing test and edead failed, yes, but how long ago was that. Have you done a new test with the new edead? If not you should, then that should put everything to rest.
What JamesBang doesnt know is that your facts come from an old product of edead, as well as FoxPro, etc. New edead is better, and i would love to see a test, same test with the new stuff. that should end this epic battle between deadener.

unless you already done it, but i have yet to see it.

This thread on DIYMA went into great detail about failures in eDead "²" line. Again. it didn't matter because Mylar facing isn't a sufficient constraining layer and unconstrained butyl may as well be asphalt for all the damping it is going to do. Once again ED proves, at least when it comes toi sound deadener, that they are either crooks or complete incompetents. After a while and yet more blaming of the customers, it gets old.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Actually it was needed.I was on this very forum preaching the truth about asphalt vs butyl and eventually had to give up. Many of the forum members tried calling me out as a vendor that was jealous of the high quality and low cost of asphalt. They saw me as a greedy company owner that wad simply bad mouthing the competition to gain sales.

I gave up trying to explain the differences and a year or so later Rudy published the SDS. eventually people started jumping on the idea, and the majority has not switched roles.

Without the 3rd party testing, people would still be defending a toxic, smelly and inferior product simply because it saved them $.50 psf.

ANT

I have no doubt, if we as the internet community hadnt called Ben and eD out, they would still be selling asphalt mat with over-inflated specs, and still claiming it is the best product on the market by far.
SDS was needed to provide irrefutable proof. It is THE proof that finally exposed Ben and eD as liars about the material type, and weight of their damping mat eDead V1. It was Rudy's testing that exposed eD's appalling quality control and spec gathering info on their mat. And finally, it was SDS that finally forced the paradigm shift in the damping mat industry that you talked about above.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

I don't know much about deadning but if it can stand the temp then why is it so bad? Does it get above 120 degrees in some areas?

I guess it does if you are speaking geographically, but it certainly gets hotter than that in many areas of your car. Didn't you ever leave your car in the sun for a few hours on a hundred degree day and then burn your hand on it? Did you think that's what 100°F feels like on human flesh? I'm going to stop here because you obviously haven't read the other posts in this thread.

That guy is a raging psychopath! Who the hell does he think he is!?!? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

True that!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Also, heat is a catalyst. Testing with higher heat levels than normal is much like exposing the product to lower heat levels over a longer time period. Asphalt degrades over time when exposed to lower heat levels than that the relatively short time period the SDS tests provided.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

You guys................show such tough love!

Maybe one day I will actually care what you all say. I am usually with most of you about what you say.......minus Foxpro, because he is so arrogant and blatantly obvious and feel he is just a tool.

Audioholic has had mucho bad experience with ED, which is well known and same with douchenugget Foxpro. You all like what you like and I see there are well known facts about these deadeners and I have had other stuff fail on me in other aspects of stuff in the audios, but never in any deadener. My friend still has very old fatmat in his car and still holding up just fine..........rather it not be classified as deadener, then whatever, I just know it has helped do what he wanted it too, along with in my case with my current car.

Now I am done with this......maybe. I love getting your guys panties in a bunch, especially you foxy lady.