i traded a c.d. player i had for a what looks to be new 12" alpine type r...its a 1241d and there isnt even a scratch on it....im unable to test it though cause i dont have a 12" box and i my deck is a pre amp deck.(no amp for my highs therefor no sound //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif)..im looking to trade for ANY 2 channell amp pm me with offers. ty