Everyone realizes that republicans PURPOSELY have created this massive debt, correct?

I can't wait to see how you tell me that the general consensus among historical economists is wrong, while the very small minority is correct.
Also, for those who don't feel like reading through the long posts, this is the most important two paragraphs of the last two pages.

The fact remains that you haven't proven your claim to be correct. You keep telling me to do it for you. My post was ridiculously long because I had to quote all of the times you put me down. Anyway, I decided to do that simple Google search you told me to do. Thank you for making it easier to prove you wrong. JSTOR: The Journal of Economic History, Vol. 55, No. 1

As you can see, this is the result of a survey given to economic historians; in part of the survey, Robert Whaples asked the historians to either agree, disagree, or agree with a stipulation with this statement: "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Would you like to know the results? 6% who worked in history agreed, while 27% of those who worked in economics agreed. 74% of those who worked in history disagreed, while 51% of the economists disagreed. I guess that ends this debacle.
I already proved how this is a fail.

If eCrack wants to learn a thing or two, he should read this: http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~cromer/great_depression.pdf
Taken from this link

Fiscal policy played a relatively small role in stimulating recovery in the United States.

Indeed, the Revenue Act of 1932 increased American tax rates greatly in an attempt to balance

the federal budget, and by doing so dealt another contractionary blow to the economy by further

discouraging spending. Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, initiated in early 1933, did include a

number of new federal programs aimed at generating recovery. For example, the Works Progress

Administration (WPA) hired the unemployed to work on government building projects, and the

Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) gave large payments to farmers. However, the

actual increases in government spending and the government budget deficit were small relative

to the size of the economy. This is especially apparent when state government budget deficits are

included, because those deficits actually declined at the same time that the federal deficit rose.

As a result, the new spending programs initiated by the New Deal had little direct expansionary

effect on the economy. Whether they may nevertheless have had positive effects on consumer

and business sentiment remains an open question. United States military spending related to

World War II was not large enough to appreciably affect total spending and output until 1941.
lol thanks for that.
Lol. That was someone's blog. They cited no sources and just made a website. I can go make a similar website saying the opposite. Also, he admitted at the end they made a strong case but it was only about 1 portion of the new deal. That is in fact not true. If you read the article I posted it talks about MUCH more than just that. Then your article refers to yet again... another consensus because that's all liberals have. No facts, just a group of people's opinions.

 
I pointed out that you lie, because you did. I never called you poor. I never called you incompetant. I said you lied because you did. You said something was true and it was not. You lied. Now you're lying upon lie to try and get out of it. Nobody is fooled. You tried to lie and spin what I said into a putdown. I didn't. Yours were direct putdowns.
Direct or indirect, putdowns are putdowns. I never said I didn't put you down because I did. You're a fucking moron. No smoke and mirrors, bro. I'm not lying. Show me the lies. I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm the one making direct statements. I don't have to hide behind my words.

I am. Right now. You're defending him. You're saying he wins if.... lol It's plainly obvious to anyone.
Stating rules does not make someone defensive.

If you weren't mad, you wouldn't have gone to all the trouble to go through my posts to look for something you could maybe spin into a putdown, then try to spin it. Clearly you're mad bro. You should be. You've lost and got caught in multiple lies that you are unable to see.
I looked through your posts again because you told me to. That clearly means I'm mad. You keep saying I spun things. You've called me a liar multiple times in the post I'm quoting right now. You keep talking about all of the lies I'm shouting, but there are none.

If someone makes a claim, and another proves it wrong but the person that made the claim refuses to accept it, does that make them less wrong?
I don't even know where you're coming from with this, unless you're talking about your wrong claims. If so, no. It doesn't make them less wrong. You didn't answer my question.

I cannot find that in the link provided. It wants me to pay 35.00 to join. It's not contained on the linked page.
I provided that link because there's no way to give you a copy of the actual text.

If that's really there.... since when did a consensus (the opinion of a group of people) make anything true or false? There was a consensus that oj didn't kill nicole.
I'm laughing now. "If that's really there..." If you want the truth, find it. What did you go to college for? I'd love to know. Have you based all of your life decisions on historical economics? Are you a professor at a university? All of these people are/were. All of these people really know what they're talking about. This isn't a public consensus. It's an academic consensus. The majority of historical economists believe what FDR did did not prolong the Depression, even if what he did wasn't completely successful.

You made a statement about "assuming" yet that's exactly what you did there. LOL! "implications". I didn't imply anything. You are obviously sensitive and take things as putdowns, name call and lie. Why wouldn't you lie to defend yourself from looking silly after getting beat?
Again you call me a liar. "You are obviously sensitive and take things as putdowns, name call and lie." LOL WTF THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL! I don't give a fuck about looking silly. I know this whole argument is stupid as fuck, because you don't have the intelligence to understand that you're wrong. ()

quaking on my keyboard brah.
I didn't think you'd actually sign your own death warrant. I'll look through the arguments you've had and show you now, I guess. To be honest though, I'm getting bored. I don't think I'll keep going on for much longer.

So you are assuming that everyone out there taking advantage of their God given right to prosper and make something for their self is trying to be better than everyone else?... not only that you're saying that people that work hard and succeed are not supposed to enjoy fruits of their labor that others who didn't work as hard or take those risks cannot enjoy? LOL.
Nope. I said there's a difference between wanting to better yourself and wanting to be better than everyone else. You still don't understand. I'm not saying that the people who work hard aren't supposed to enjoy themselves. I'm saying that people who lie and cheat to succeed shouldn't enjoy the fruits of their labor. I'll break this down for you.

There are people that work hard and make money. These people are good, and I applaud them for their integrity.

There are other people that cheat others out of money to better themselves. These people are bad, and should be punished. Do you comprehend yet? (Calling you stupid again)

Stupid statements are stupid. That's what makes them stupid. Deep thought bro.
You're deflecting. Incompetent is synonymous with stupid, is it not?

If you didn't comprehend something (you haven't comprehended MUCH of what I've said to you, it simply means you didnt' grasp it. I didn't delve into why you didn't grasp it... but what you just did was call every child in every classroom who didn't understand the less the first time STUPID. YOU DID.... not me. You just said if you don't comprehend something you're stupid. I never said it. That was you.
My comprehension is just fine. Children are ignorant until they learn. There's no learning to be done here. Comprehension is the capability to understand. If someone is incapable of understanding something, then they're stupid. That's the dictionary definition of stupid.

You just disproved your whole "if you link to it, it's true" theory. You linked to a joke. It is obvious it's not true.
Your reasoning skills are impeccable.

Who are you showing? You didn't show anything and clearly I'm not wrong. If I were wrong, when obama just tried the same thing it would have led to a recovery. Instead we're in worse shape than when we began. You're getting a real-time demonstration of the failure that this is yet you're unable to see it. I'm not assuming why... I'm just saying you missed it.
I've shown everyone(the few people who have come into the topic and made a post or have read our posts) that you're a moron, and that you're willing to keep posting in hopes to not look like such a moron, but it's not working. We all know you're a moron. Obama has nothing to do with FDR. You need to remember what you and I are arguing about, as you seem to have gotten off-track. We're arguing whether or not what you posted was proof that FDR prolonged the Depression. Like I've said multiple times throughout this topic, I don't care either way. In my short time of researching, I've found that you are wrong. I'm sorry that you're wrong.

 
There was too much text for one post, literally.

I agree with what is correct. I have no other reason to agree with it. Unlike you who hates the United States because it thrives on Capitalism and you are a socialist ideologue. You see the world through a negative prism. You look at success and see greed. You look at the lazy and see needy. You look at failure and see success. Which is patently obvious because you think you have really shown me in this thread, when in fact you have lost horribly.
You agree with what you think is correct. That doesn't make it correct. You keep telling me I hate the United States. Like I said, I don't hate the United States. I do hate the corruption Capitalism has brought to the country. That's not a secret. I see the world through two eyes, just like everyone else. I look at corruption and see greed. I look at the poor and homeless and see the needy. You're the one saying I think laziness is comparable to neediness. You're the one saying I think success and greed are comparable. You're changing the argument again, because I've proved you wrong. I'm done arguing with you after this post. Anyone reading the topic with any kind of logic and common sense know that I'm right. You need to learn the English language, by the way. You're not looking for the word patently. You're looking for blatantly. I've seen you use the word in another topic but chose not to say anything. I don't think I've "shown you" in the topic. I think I've proved you completely wrong. And I have.

Yet you have nothing to go on. I saw your tactic coming a mile away, avoided it and proved wrong everything you said. You said if you provide links..... I provided one to test you and you attempted to discredit it while the other points drove you mad. You then googled looking for ANYTHING to try and disprove my comments yet you didn't find anything, so you found a pay site that nobody can see, typed in what you want to be there, and posted it here.
These aren't tactics. I'm analyzing every one of your posts and explaining to you how you're wrong. You provided the link before I even posted. My first post on this subject was telling you that the one link you posted wasn't good enough. You didn't "bait" me with anything. You're not intuitive, and you had no idea I was going to post. I didn't ask for "a link." I asked for "credible sources". I googled, "fdr prolonged depression". The first and second hits were the article you posted, and an article discussing the article you posted, respectively. The third hit was Wikipedia's New Deal page, in which it discussed how historians and economists see FDR's policies in regards to the Great Depression. You can say I "googled for anything", but I googled the most unbiased combination of those words I could. If anything, one could argue that it was biased FOR your argument.

Not at all. You said it didn't exist and that I had nothing. I told you it DID exist and to google it so you couldn't discredit MY links. Then you googled something different. You linked to something nobody can see. Then you typed in some crap that allegedly exists there. None of this ***** for me at all.
I didn't say the article didn't exist. I said you had no proof that the article was right. You told me that going to Google would prove me wrong. I wasn't trying to discredit any of your links. I think I'm getting deja vu. This is your argument over and over and over again. I didn't Google something different. I linked to a publication that is not free, then I linked to two things you CAN see. Why aren't you talking about those?

Here you go again with this "allegedly" bullshit. If you don't believe me, Google it. You'll find it somewhere.

My argument is rooted in logic. I didn't call you incompetent and you failed to show where I did. You have failed to show how my logic is flawed or my argument is wrong. You have merely thrown putdowns and posted shoddy links. You have nothing other than blind hatred and it is showing through.
Your argument is rooted in the interpretation of one policy's effect on a nationwide depression. I've posted several links discussing the Great Depression at length. I've put you down because you need to be put down. You're stupid. You really are.

Refute what you said? I had no idea what you said.
My point was that I was not defending Proximity. What you quoted was one sentence in one paragraph of one post. You knew what I was saying other than that sentence, so instead of quoting the rest of the paragraph and telling me I'm wrong, you chose to make fun of a mistake.

You both are liberals and advocate socialist views. That means you agree. You have agreed on everything thus far. Where are the other Conservatives? They can see I've won and aren't posting. There are some trolls trying to work you up but other than that nothing. There is no need for them to post. I have this covered and everyone can see that.
Honestly, this is pathetic. We agree on the fact that freedom is a good thing. We agree that goods and services should be publicly owned.

No proof of said falsehood.
I gave you the proof in the form of three links.

Thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately.... it means nothing without 5 links from 5 different universities.
Fortunately, I don't have to post 5 links from 5 different universities. I posted a survey that contained the opinion of almost 200 historical economists. I asked you for credible sources, and assumed the only way to do that was with links from different universities. I found a way to validate everything I've said with one link.

Where are they?
They're littered throughout my posts. They're there. I don't have the time to read through everything I've said to tell you what you already know and are too stubborn to accept.

I already proved how this is a fail.
No, you've decided to believe I'm lying rather than believe that Wikipedia has any real facts.

lol thanks for that.
Are you sure you want to thank me just yet?

Fiscal policy played a relatively small role in stimulating recovery in the United States.Indeed, the Revenue Act of 1932 increased American tax rates greatly in an attempt to balance

the federal budget, and by doing so dealt another contractionary blow to the economy by further

discouraging spending. Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, initiated in early 1933, did include a

number of new federal programs aimed at generating recovery. For example, the Works Progress

Administration (WPA) hired the unemployed to work on government building projects, and the

Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) gave large payments to farmers. However, the

actual increases in government spending and the government budget deficit were small relative

to the size of the economy. This is especially apparent when state government budget deficits are

included, because those deficits actually declined at the same time that the federal deficit rose.

As a result, the new spending programs initiated by the New Deal had little direct expansionary

effect on the economy. Whether they may nevertheless have had positive effects on consumer

and business sentiment remains an open question. United States military spending related to

World War II was not large enough to appreciably affect total spending and output until 1941.
This doesn't prove you right. It says that FDR's policies weren't abundantly helpful like he would have liked them to be. Regardless, it also says that the policies in the quote had a relatively small effect on the economy. It proves neither you nor anyone else right.

Lol. That was someone's blog. They cited no sources and just made a website. I can go make a similar website saying the opposite. Also, he admitted at the end they made a strong case but it was only about 1 portion of the new deal. That is in fact not true. If you read the article I posted it talks about MUCH more than just that. Then your article refers to yet again... another consensus because that's all liberals have. No facts, just a group of people's opinions.
He wrote an article on a website. He didn't make the website. He also referred to something from the Boston Globe: The New Deal and right-wing revisionism - The Boston Globe

And he referred to the same thing you did from UCLA, so that everyone reading his article can see what he's talking about.

Then he referred to the actual research memo from the two economists, so the readers can formulate their own opinion.

He refers to the consensus because it's a fact that has been validated for decades by thousands of economists and historians. The only reason the New Deal is being discussed again at all is because of these two economists who went against the grain in a right-wing attempt to confuse people.

You shouldn't think that just because they wrote complex formulas that those formulas are fact. Math can be very deceiving(I should know; I'm a chemical engineering major).

 
There was too much text for one post, literally.





You agree with what you think is correct. That doesn't make it correct. You keep telling me I hate the United States. Like I said, I don't hate the United States. I do hate the corruption Capitalism has brought to the country. That's not a secret. I see the world through two eyes, just like everyone else. I look at corruption and see greed. I look at the poor and homeless and see the needy. You're the one saying I think laziness is comparable to neediness. You're the one saying I think success and greed are comparable. You're changing the argument again, because I've proved you wrong. I'm done arguing with you after this post. Anyone reading the topic with any kind of logic and common sense know that I'm right. You need to learn the English language, by the way. You're not looking for the word patently. You're looking for blatantly. I've seen you use the word in another topic but chose not to say anything. I don't think I've "shown you" in the topic. I think I've proved you completely wrong. And I have.

These aren't tactics. I'm analyzing every one of your posts and explaining to you how you're wrong. You provided the link before I even posted. My first post on this subject was telling you that the one link you posted wasn't good enough. You didn't "bait" me with anything. You're not intuitive, and you had no idea I was going to post. I didn't ask for "a link." I asked for "credible sources". I googled, "fdr prolonged depression". The first and second hits were the article you posted, and an article discussing the article you posted, respectively. The third hit was Wikipedia's New Deal page, in which it discussed how historians and economists see FDR's policies in regards to the Great Depression. You can say I "googled for anything", but I googled the most unbiased combination of those words I could. If anything, one could argue that it was biased FOR your argument.

I didn't say the article didn't exist. I said you had no proof that the article was right. You told me that going to Google would prove me wrong. I wasn't trying to discredit any of your links. I think I'm getting deja vu. This is your argument over and over and over again. I didn't Google something different. I linked to a publication that is not free, then I linked to two things you CAN see. Why aren't you talking about those?

Here you go again with this "allegedly" bullshit. If you don't believe me, Google it. You'll find it somewhere.

Your argument is rooted in the interpretation of one policy's effect on a nationwide depression. I've posted several links discussing the Great Depression at length. I've put you down because you need to be put down. You're stupid. You really are.

My point was that I was not defending Proximity. What you quoted was one sentence in one paragraph of one post. You knew what I was saying other than that sentence, so instead of quoting the rest of the paragraph and telling me I'm wrong, you chose to make fun of a mistake.

Honestly, this is pathetic. We agree on the fact that freedom is a good thing. We agree that goods and services should be publicly owned.

I gave you the proof in the form of three links.

Fortunately, I don't have to post 5 links from 5 different universities. I posted a survey that contained the opinion of almost 200 historical economists. I asked you for credible sources, and assumed the only way to do that was with links from different universities. I found a way to validate everything I've said with one link.

They're littered throughout my posts. They're there. I don't have the time to read through everything I've said to tell you what you already know and are too stubborn to accept.

No, you've decided to believe I'm lying rather than believe that Wikipedia has any real facts.

Are you sure you want to thank me just yet?

This doesn't prove you right. It says that FDR's policies weren't abundantly helpful like he would have liked them to be. Regardless, it also says that the policies in the quote had a relatively small effect on the economy. It proves neither you nor anyone else right.

He wrote an article on a website. He didn't make the website. He also referred to something from the Boston Globe: The New Deal and right-wing revisionism - The Boston Globe

And he referred to the same thing you did from UCLA, so that everyone reading his article can see what he's talking about.

Then he referred to the actual research memo from the two economists, so the readers can formulate their own opinion.

He refers to the consensus because it's a fact that has been validated for decades by thousands of economists and historians. The only reason the New Deal is being discussed again at all is because of these two economists who went against the grain in a right-wing attempt to confuse people.

You shouldn't think that just because they wrote complex formulas that those formulas are fact. Math can be very deceiving(I should know; I'm a chemical engineering major).
That's might be the longest post I've ever had.

 
You simply cursed at me and called me stupid yet proved nothing. I'm not in here calling you names because I'm not mad. You clearly are because you got proved wrong with your own articles. You couldn't prove me wrong and you lost... plain and simple. It's plainly obvious that the person coming in just saying "you're stupid you're stupid" has lost. This is the definition of a loss. Sorry kid. This discussion won't continue. I've proved you wrong and you're just slinging names. There's nothing left to talk about.

 
That's might be the longest post I've ever had.
It's got to be. There's a 10,000 character limit, and with those two combined, I was right around 16k.

eCrack: I don't care anymore. I'm done with this ish. You're a conservative and I'm a liberal. You love capitalism and I hate it. You gave Proximity a link trying to prove him wrong, but it was just one person. To you, that's the proof. The one person agreed with you. 49% of the economists who participated in the survey I linked to agreed with you in one way or another. 51% disagree, and the gap for historians was larger. We're arguing views and ideals, and no one will win. You can keep going, but I'm not.

You simply cursed at me and called me stupid yet proved nothing. I'm not in here calling you names because I'm not mad. You clearly are because you got proved wrong with your own articles. You couldn't prove me wrong and you lost... plain and simple. It's plainly obvious that the person coming in just saying "you're stupid you're stupid" has lost. This is the definition of a loss. Sorry kid. This discussion won't continue. I've proved you wrong and you're just slinging names. There's nothing left to talk about.
Lulz. Out of 16,000 characters you chose to disregard all of them other than the 15-20 I used to say fuck. K.

 
Mitch Daniels here in Indiana cut off all federal aid to planned parenthood which help teen girls with birth control and such things. score another one for them.
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OP has no life. He comes to a car audio forum SPECIFICALLY to spew his political bullshit. That's like going to a food convention to talk to everyone about World of Warcraft.
I'm pretty sure that OP is the originator of the Gordo Granudo meme.
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Really the only ones who benefit from endless and inescapable debt are the global banking cartels that loan us our money at interest. Economic boom and bust cycles are a pure function of money supply which is entirely controlled by the private central bank. These banks and the corporations they own have nearly every politician bought and paid for. While these left vs. right things are cute (in a pro wrestling sort of way), they're totally irrelevent and ignore the fact that they're two piles of the same **** and while their rhetoric differs, we can see through history there is a continuity of agenda regardless of which "choice" we are given.

Neither of the 2 major parties have any solutions for you and probably most of the lesser parties don't either. As long as people don't understand how money works it will continue to be the tool of our enslavement.

Anybody who is participating in one of these " R vs. D" threads does not understand how money works and who controlls it. The reason nobody ever wins these "debates" is that the entire premise is flawed so any conclusions will also seem nonsensical.

Carry on:

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