ED's production basket pics are posted..(av2)

I thought the samething about most German women.

Life continues.. At least most German women arn't so thick they need to drive to the mail box.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Dude, just for common knowledge. I am American. I work for the US military. That is why I am here.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 
I see no reason for you to be offended. You stated your opinion, I stated mine.

Notice I mentioned considering you normally a fair person. This is exactly why I found your reply so confusing, you DID seem to be condoning copying technology, and that the big guy always wins because he has deeper pockets. Now you seem to be doing a 180. If you weren't implying JL 'won' due to solely having deeper pocket, I do not understand why you made such a comment. If you hate copywrite infringement so much, I do not understand why you much such comments on it happening every day and seemingly downplay the issue. If your comments meant something else entirely, well forgive me for interpreting them that way. But frankly, given the situation, I see no other interpretation that makes much sense.

If I had no respect for your opinion, I wouldn't have taken the time to write the lengthy reply I did. Sorry you feel the way you do, that is your choice.
OK, I'll say this from the rooftops so you can hear what I say and listen to what I say because you clearly believe in some sense that I'm on ED's side on this.

By my comments YOU assume, presume or whatever to think I condone what ED has done, did or will do. YOU think that and that's not what I said yet you clearly are putting me in a position that I subscribe to any company benefiting from stealing from another.

Did you READ what I said and understand it for what I did say??? I'm talking about " SIMILARITY'S " as in the APPEARANCE between a w7 vs ED's subwoofer basket structure and I said in no way, shape or form does either one look the same, but, SIMILAR.

I'm talking about comparisons of how each looks and they look " COMPLETELY DIFFERENT " and that's all that I said.

Your referring to " Patent Infringement " which by all accounts JL said there were issues. Now, I don't speculate, presume or have full knowledge as to the Factual Basis of said " Patent Infringement " however, within the confines of this thread I'm sure their are some very learned folks that think they know all the finer details that would preclude them to be " EXPERTS " and for the most part all be but convinced that ED stole technology directly from JL Audio.

Now, as with any type of accusations being made, there is usually some form of evidence to support them and to my knowledge, accusations or " HEARSAY " doesn't hold up will in the court of law. However, everything said pretty much is been nothing but Hearsay the the jury of public opinion has already convicted ED.

That's the fr!ggin problem with people in this country, someone makes a claim and it becomes " fact " with nothing more than the mere mention with no shred of any proof other than a few pictures yet the story behind the pictures become so obscured that no one individual or individuals knows the complete truth.

The three pieces of " evidence " presented only show what ED's vs JL's appear to " look like " and you offer nothing else. Now, if you can present evidence to show that ED with out a doubt STOLE from from JL something that clearly is part of the ED product, then you have my full attention.

Now, if you want to twist all of what I said to fit so conveniently into your still presumption that I condone/support ED is some manner, then I have another opinion, your a narrowed minded person that regardless what i say or what i have said or anyone else says that does not conform to your thoughts will not nor does not matter in your judgment since in your mind the judgment is final.

And BTW, I am a fair minded person and not one to rush to judgment just because the masses do so, only a fool blindly will follow others without rhyme or reason just because everyone does so.

 
A prototype of ED's sub's basket looked stupidly like JL's basket. JL had a design patent on the basket and asked ED to provide drawings. This would all have been resolved quietly and privately had ED not decided to make an idiotic video and make a huge stink about being persecuted big JL and their "infinite resources". Entire thing was childish and way more complicated than it needed to be - typical ED marketing campaign.

 
Sense when did people start looking at subs and saying "I want that sub because of the basket"
So why in the hell would ED want to make there basket look like JL's to trick anyone? Nonsense.
For the hundredth time, JL's primary concern stemmed from the apparent copying of their patented Elevated-Frame Cooling. Their secondary concern was infringement upon their patent based on the "likeness" (appearance) of that basket to the W7 basket.

JL is just crying because there "BADASS W7" is not the shit that they thought it would be and they want to bring some hype up about it to get it even more -out there-

There is a reason the W7 is still one of the reference subs others are compared to, and has been since it's debut 6 years ago. There are very few drivers on the market that offer the linearity, distortion performance and displacement capabilities of that driver.....and of those that do, quite a few of them are considerably more expensive than the W7.

Is the W7 the end-all be-all ? No.

But to say it's "not the shit they thought it would be" is more than a little ignorant.

And it's certainly worthy of all of the attention it's received.

And JL isn't crying.....it's called protecting their intellectual property.

 
There is a reason the W7 is still one of the reference subs others are compared to, and has been since it's debut 6 years ago. There are very few drivers on the market that offer the linearity, distortion performance and displacement capabilities of that driver.....and of those that do, quite a few of them are considerably more expensive than the W7.
Is the W7 the end-all be-all ? No.

But to say it's "not the shit they thought it would be" is more than a little ignorant.

And it's certainly worthy of all of the attention it's received.

And JL isn't crying.....it's called protecting their intellectual property.
im quoting this because squeak brought up an interesting point, that many people overlook...

the W7 is touted as the reference of all subwoofers, and most people disagree with that. but look at what youre doing, any new sub that comes out, or that is a contender to be the new big boy on the block, what do you ALWAYS compare it to //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

whether you like it, or dislike it, everyone is out to beat the W7, and that in itself speaks volumes for the woofer. im not a fan of it, wouldnt ever buy one, id probably be the first to recomend something instead of a W7, but im not going to say its a bad driver. because plain and simple, its not.

 
I think the bottom line is that ed is trying to make a product that will fool people into thinking its something better than it actually is.

They just try to copy something and sell it for as cheap as possible.

 
For the hundredth time, JL's primary concern stemmed from the apparent copying of their patented Elevated-Frame Cooling. Their secondary concern was infringement upon their patent based on the "likeness" (appearance) of that basket to the W7 basket.
There is a reason the W7 is still one of the reference subs others are compared to, and has been since it's debut 6 years ago. There are very few drivers on the market that offer the linearity, distortion performance and displacement capabilities of that driver.....and of those that do, quite a few of them are considerably more expensive than the W7.

Is the W7 the end-all be-all ? No.

But to say it's "not the shit they thought it would be" is more than a little ignorant.

And it's certainly worthy of all of the attention it's received.

And JL isn't crying.....it's called protecting their intellectual property.
Indeed. If I had the patent, I too would be questioning their design by asking for schematics and samples to compare. In fact, the leak of the prototype actually saved eD from some potentially serious controversy - both monetary and public - in that had they continued to move ahead with production, the loses would have been much more than what they originally incurred.

im quoting this because squeak brought up an interesting point, that many people overlook...
the W7 is touted as the reference of all subwoofers, and most people disagree with that. but look at what youre doing, any new sub that comes out, or that is a contender to be the new big boy on the block, what do you ALWAYS compare it to //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

whether you like it, or dislike it, everyone is out to beat the W7, and that in itself speaks volumes for the woofer. im not a fan of it, wouldnt ever buy one, id probably be the first to recomend something instead of a W7, but im not going to say its a bad driver. because plain and simple, its not.
I have a lot of respect for what JL has done with this design. Looking over their patents, I can tell they spent a great deal of time and effort in designing said driver. For that, they deserve high praise.

Best,

Mark

 
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