EDead- The New Stuff

[polishstud 10+ year member]

Hello everyone, I was Wondering have any of you used to new Edead products?

Browsing on their website, they have gotten rid of the v1 and v1se and now have some thick products. If I am not mistaken it is thicker than SSA Deamp Pro, and that is just their 80 mil version, they also have a 120 mill version.

Price is actually really good also.

I know a lot of people dislike their (Elemental Designs) previous version of edead. However is it possible that they fixed all the bad things that were happening to their v1 and v1se?

http://www.edesignaudio.com/index.php?cPath=1_24

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[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

eDuh is notorious for overrating their deadeners //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

No........

BTW, how far are you from Chicago?

 

[polishstud 10+ year member]

Not far at all //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif, about 40 mins give or take traffic

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

Well judging by the pics, the real cheap stuff just looks renamed. I woulnd't recommend it and I am using the older stuff in my car. It just takes too much to get a decent layer.

I traded for some Raamat from a guy and that is better. How much area are you trying to cover?

 

[polishstud 10+ year member]

A lot of area lol, I have a scion tc that believe it or not needed 120 sq.ft or deadener just for the floor, hatch floor, rear quarters and doors.

The roof ( even though most of it is glass), the hatch door (trunk), the firewall, the hood, and the outside wheel wells are not included in the 120 sq.ft.

Ideally my goals are to really make this car quiet. Recently I have also been thinking about using lead. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

I was on SSA website and after putting some of their products into the shopping cart, my bill came out to $1500, which is too much right now. Thats when I started looking into other sound deadeners.... the ed stuff caught my eye when I saw how thick it is as advertised.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

edead rocks, my hatch and doors are filled with v1se2 and its does an amazing job. best bang for the buck!!!

i have like 30ft leftover i can sell you for cheap, and test it out to see how good it is. i am near the downtown area!

 

[groundpound4200 5,000+ posts]

I do agree that it's not gonna be as thick as they claim but it is good for the money. I have used the old stuff and the new stuff and the new is WAY better.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Thicker must mean better, right? Material density and quality, adhesion properties, and foil type/thickness really mean squat, its all about the 80 and 120 mil specs. Or so eD would have you believe.

And furthermore, why would anyone ever trust a company again who has admitted they previously weighed other versions, for advertised specs, with the backing layer still applied, and even with the center cardboard tube still inserted? oops? Why would you ever trust to buy deadener again from a company who out and out lied about the material make-up of previous versions in a blatant attempt to fool the consumer into purchasing an inferior product? Has this company not done enough to justify looking beyond their advertised specs and question the quality, not just quantity? Apparently not, because plenty of people are still buying their crap, and then having to come here and tell us how it literally peels apart from itself (let alone the contact surface).

eD should have just gotten out of the deadener market after their previous antics were discovered. But apparently there are plenty of suckers in this world ready to hop right back on whatever advertising BS bandwagon they want to lay out. Oh... its 120 mil thick... ohhhhh ahhhhh!

I give their new deadener mats, and the company themselves, 2 thumbs down. And one middle finger up.

Hope Ive made my feelings clear enough.

 

[pentavolvo 10+ year member]

I have edead in a few diff cars. I am in Palatine let me know when you deaden ur car ill give you a hand and shoot the BS with ya. Im always down to get together and talk systems

 

[Fiercetimbo17 10+ year member]

it sucks still

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

edead rocks, my hatch and doors are filled with v1se2 and its does an amazing job. best bang for the buck!!!
i have like 30ft leftover i can sell you for cheap, and test it out to see how good it is. i am near the downtown area!

that's horrible...

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Thicker must mean better, right? Material density and quality, adhesion properties, and foil type/thickness really mean squat, its all about the 80 and 120 mil specs. Or so eD would have you believe.
And furthermore, why would anyone ever trust a company again who has admitted they previously weighed other versions, for advertised specs, with the backing layer still applied, and even with the center cardboard tube still inserted? oops? Why would you ever trust to buy deadener again from a company who out and out lied about the material make-up of previous versions in a blatant attempt to fool the consumer into purchasing an inferior product? Has this company not done enough to justify looking beyond their advertised specs and question the quality, not just quantity? Apparently not, because plenty of people are still buying their crap, and then having to come here and tell us how it literally peels apart from itself (let alone the contact surface).

eD should have just gotten out of the deadener market after their previous antics were discovered. But apparently there are plenty of suckers in this world ready to hop right back on whatever advertising BS bandwagon they want to lay out. Oh... its 120 mil thick... ohhhhh ahhhhh!

I give their new deadener mats, and the company themselves, 2 thumbs down. And one middle finger up.

Hope Ive made my feelings clear enough.

I can understand the sentiment. This new stuff is actually the third group of products they have sold as eDead mat. First there was the asphalt v1 and v1SE. Lots of problems (as with all asphalt products). Customers learned that they really wanted butyl instead of asphalt so the first approach was to claim that their asphalt was really butyl while simultaneously claiming that the competition's butyl wasn't really butyl.

When that didn't work, they moved on to v1², v1SE² and UE - butyl adhesive with a Mylar "aluminized" facing. ED representatives hit the forums proclaiming it to be better than Dynamat Xtreme. Problem was, people had problems with adhesion and with the Mylar delaminating. ED attributed these problems to various conspiracies against them. Aside from the product failures, the "better than Dynamat" claims were absurd. Using the much cheaper Mylar, instead of aluminum, severely compromised the product's performance. I've been doing some performance testing and both asphalt (FatMat, P&S, BQ Extreme, Sound Destroyer, R-Blox, etc.) AND the Mylar faced eDeads take at least 4-6 times as much material to approximate the performance of Dynamat Xtreme and the other butyl/aluminum foil products. That's 4-6 times as much work and actually paying more to get to the same level of performance.

Now they have the third versions which are supposed to be butyl/aluminum foil. I haven't seen them yet, so I don't know. If they are really that much less expensive than the competition, I'd be suspicious, but we will see. Butyl/aluminum foil isn't cheap. There's just no way around that fact. What amazes me is how ED has insisted throughout the life cycle of each of these turkeys that it was a great product, blaming failures and poor performance on their customers. Then, when "customer demand" leads them to change the product, they change it with no signs of regret.

A few months ago, many people were complaining about problems with v1SE². Several people sent me samples and I was able to reproduce the problems by putting test strips on sheet metal and SETTING IT IN THE SUN ON THE DECK IN MY BACK YARD! ED suggested that I rigged the results and insisted, despite an obvious and easily measurable decrease in adhesive bond strength, that every unit of v1SE² shipped was identical and had passed their rigorous QC regimen. It's very easy to imagine a scenario wherein after publicly insisting on the virtues of the ² products, they went to their manufacturer and said: "Hey, this stuff is pealing apart on people". At which point the manufacturer would explain that delamination is going to be a problem unless they use aluminum foil, bringing us to the new stuff. Foil thickness is critical to performance, so we'll see how it stacks up.

As far as vibration dampers at least, the customer is the beta tester for ED. I'll let you know when I order some. By the way, if it takes 120 ft² of vibration damper to do the floor of a tC, you are using the wrong material.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

The sad part is, eventually when they do offer a competent product, it will only be because their previous attempts to sell inferior crap have all blown up in their faces. But like said above, they will show no remorse, and will claim the new mat as proof of the company's commitment to quality products.