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<blockquote data-quote="Rudy" data-source="post: 5309965" data-attributes="member: 568035"><p>I can understand the sentiment. This new stuff is actually the third group of products they have sold as eDead mat. First there was the asphalt v1 and v1SE. Lots of problems (as with all asphalt products). Customers learned that they really wanted butyl instead of asphalt so the first approach was to claim that their asphalt was really butyl while simultaneously claiming that the competition's butyl wasn't really butyl.</p><p></p><p>When that didn't work, they moved on to v1², v1SE² and UE - butyl adhesive with a Mylar "aluminized" facing. ED representatives hit the forums proclaiming it to be better than Dynamat Xtreme. Problem was, people had problems with adhesion and with the Mylar delaminating. ED attributed these problems to various conspiracies against them. Aside from the product failures, the "better than Dynamat" claims were absurd. Using the much cheaper Mylar, instead of aluminum, severely compromised the product's performance. I've been doing some performance testing and both asphalt (FatMat, P&amp;S, BQ Extreme, Sound Destroyer, R-Blox, etc.) AND the Mylar faced eDeads take at least 4-6 times as much material to approximate the performance of Dynamat Xtreme and the other butyl/aluminum foil products. That's 4-6 times as much work and actually paying more to get to the same level of performance.</p><p></p><p>Now they have the third versions which are supposed to be butyl/aluminum foil. I haven't seen them yet, so I don't know. If they are really that much less expensive than the competition, I'd be suspicious, but we will see. Butyl/aluminum foil isn't cheap. There's just no way around that fact. What amazes me is how ED has insisted throughout the life cycle of each of these turkeys that it was a great product, blaming failures and poor performance on their customers. Then, when "customer demand" leads them to change the product, they change it with no signs of regret.</p><p></p><p>A few months ago, many people were complaining about problems with v1SE². Several people sent me samples and I was able to reproduce the problems by putting test strips on sheet metal and SETTING IT IN THE SUN ON THE DECK IN MY BACK YARD! ED suggested that I rigged the results and insisted, despite an obvious and easily measurable decrease in adhesive bond strength, that every unit of v1SE² shipped was identical and had passed their rigorous QC regimen. It's very easy to imagine a scenario wherein after publicly insisting on the virtues of the ² products, they went to their manufacturer and said: "Hey, this stuff is pealing apart on people". At which point the manufacturer would explain that delamination is going to be a problem unless they use aluminum foil, bringing us to the new stuff. Foil thickness is critical to performance, so we'll see how it stacks up.</p><p></p><p>As far as vibration dampers at least, the customer is the beta tester for ED. I'll let you know when I order some. By the way, if it takes 120 ft² of vibration damper to do the floor of a tC, you are using the wrong material.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rudy, post: 5309965, member: 568035"] I can understand the sentiment. This new stuff is actually the third group of products they have sold as eDead mat. First there was the asphalt v1 and v1SE. Lots of problems (as with all asphalt products). Customers learned that they really wanted butyl instead of asphalt so the first approach was to claim that their asphalt was really butyl while simultaneously claiming that the competition's butyl wasn't really butyl. When that didn't work, they moved on to v1², v1SE² and UE - butyl adhesive with a Mylar "aluminized" facing. ED representatives hit the forums proclaiming it to be better than Dynamat Xtreme. Problem was, people had problems with adhesion and with the Mylar delaminating. ED attributed these problems to various conspiracies against them. Aside from the product failures, the "better than Dynamat" claims were absurd. Using the much cheaper Mylar, instead of aluminum, severely compromised the product's performance. I've been doing some performance testing and both asphalt (FatMat, P&S, BQ Extreme, Sound Destroyer, R-Blox, etc.) AND the Mylar faced eDeads take at least 4-6 times as much material to approximate the performance of Dynamat Xtreme and the other butyl/aluminum foil products. That's 4-6 times as much work and actually paying more to get to the same level of performance. Now they have the third versions which are supposed to be butyl/aluminum foil. I haven't seen them yet, so I don't know. If they are really that much less expensive than the competition, I'd be suspicious, but we will see. Butyl/aluminum foil isn't cheap. There's just no way around that fact. What amazes me is how ED has insisted throughout the life cycle of each of these turkeys that it was a great product, blaming failures and poor performance on their customers. Then, when "customer demand" leads them to change the product, they change it with no signs of regret. A few months ago, many people were complaining about problems with v1SE². Several people sent me samples and I was able to reproduce the problems by putting test strips on sheet metal and SETTING IT IN THE SUN ON THE DECK IN MY BACK YARD! ED suggested that I rigged the results and insisted, despite an obvious and easily measurable decrease in adhesive bond strength, that every unit of v1SE² shipped was identical and had passed their rigorous QC regimen. It's very easy to imagine a scenario wherein after publicly insisting on the virtues of the ² products, they went to their manufacturer and said: "Hey, this stuff is pealing apart on people". At which point the manufacturer would explain that delamination is going to be a problem unless they use aluminum foil, bringing us to the new stuff. Foil thickness is critical to performance, so we'll see how it stacks up. As far as vibration dampers at least, the customer is the beta tester for ED. I'll let you know when I order some. By the way, if it takes 120 ft² of vibration damper to do the floor of a tC, you are using the wrong material. [/QUOTE]
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