edead or fatmat?

I know the majority of people on here hate the stuff but as of yet i have not had any issues and it was 1/10th the price of DynoMat...
It is not 1/10th the price of Dynamat. And even if it were, you are comparing to THE most expensive butyl mat out there. Why?
Maybe you are sandbagging in order to make yourself feel better about your asphalt purchase.

 
Maybe you are sandbagging in order to make yourself feel better about your asphalt purchase.
Well he wouldn't be the first, that's for sure.

These threads are always the same; someone say's FatMat worked great, someone said it fell off. Same thing for any of the inferior damping mat wannabee knock offs. The only thing that's consistent about them is their inconsistency.

That's what you pay for when you don't buy an honest CLD deadener:

-maintains a permanent viscoelastic bond to the surface over the life of the vehicle

-has a respectable DLF/ALF over a wide temperature range (actually none do, but that's the nature of the beast)

-4mill foil thickness or greater

-none to minimal VOC outgassing

-simple, clean and easy to install

 
And its many times forgotten that even if you are one of the lucky ones that has had their asphalt mat stay stuck, it's still drastically less effective than a butyl mat. And the asphalt WILL dry out. The butyl will NOT. That price difference between asphalt and butyl seems to be less and less important all the time doesn't it? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 
And with all that said, I will be getting more fatmat, lol!

Call me stupid, whatever. I feel like it works for me and it has and I have used just about every mat out there besides B-Quiet, brown bread and a couple other so called knock offs.

And I still think there is a difference between fatmat and peel and seel as I have used one and installed the other.

 
Installation procedure determines whether or not it lasts for a week. Luck and conditions determine how long it will last after that. Nothing compensates for its poor performance - it's just wishful thinking that has you believing it is performing as well as the Second Skin in your trunk. Here's what comparable ALF results look like for FatMat vs Dynamat Xtreme at 200 and 400Hz at 74°F:
FM 0.03 0.0349

DX 0.341 0.414

1.0 is a theoretically (but unattainable) perfect result. Dynamat Xtreme is an order of magnitude better than FatMat. Since there isn't a linear relationship between layers applied and performance, it isn't as simple as saying that it will take 10 layers of FatMat to equal the performance of 1 layer of Dynamat Xtreme (or Damplifier, V-Max, etc), but in my crude testing, 6 times as much FatMat still hadn't reached the damping performance of Dynamat Xtreme - it had just lowered the RF of the test panel to the point where I couldn't compare them with any confidence.

Since using that much more of an asphalt material negates any cost savings, the question of durability really doesn't matter any more. Some people will continue to insist that cost/ft² is the only relevant metric and choose asphalt. I'd urge them to search the boards for posts by Jacob from Sundown on the topic. He used to believe that asphalt could be installed reliably. His procedure involved carefully sized pieces of mat, heat and sealing the seams with aluminum tape. He has had multiple failures since then and now warns against using asphalt. Shon at ROE has reported similar results.

There was a time when using asphalt for sound deadening seemed like a reasonable choice. It was better than nothing in terms of vibration damping and many people were willing to risk the reliability questions. That time has long since passed. We have a much better understanding of why and how asphalt products fail in a car. We also know that asphalt is such a poor vibration damper that the perception of value is just wrong. The best way to save money is to use less of a quality butyl/aluminum foil product. If you planned to spend $100 on asphalt, instead buy $100 of a decent vibration damper and spread it out in a checkerboard pattern. It will take less work, add less weight, incur none of the risk, cost the same and outperform the "cheaper" solution.

One factor has confused people about the performance of asphalt. In those situations where applying a mat eliminates rattles by immobilizing adjacent panels instead of damping vibrations, asphalt will work as well as buyl/aluminum foil, as would a piece of duct tape, a 10 cent shot of silicone or even a piece of chewing gum.

You can't conclude anything about performance by comparing the FatMat in your doors and the SS in your trunk. To make a real comparison, you'd have to treat equivalent areas of the car and compare. Even then, it is tough to make a judgment in such a complex environment. Much better to do your testing outside the car, where you can control as many variables as possible. Anything else is anecdotal and really shouldn't be used as the basis for choosing or recommending.
Yeah way too much for me, but I hear you. You have tested and tested. I have a thick head..............so my wife tells me...........zing, anyway, once it fails, then you can say I told you so, but it hasnt. My mid bass is much, much better. My rattles are a lot less, not completely gone, but a lot less noise. So in my case it is working and holding up. Sorry you don't understand that.

Honestly if I had the money though, I would use the vmax stuff. I can tell how much better that is after I installed it in an accord and was full coverage like mine. He hardly gets any rattles in his trunk and has a good bit more power I ever had in my car. Shit is nice, but to be fair I only used Damplifier, not Damplifier pro.

All I know is I know what is working for my car, but the fatmat seems to be holding up just fine compared to my SS Damp. I only debate, argue, whatever you want to call it, because of what works for me. I must be a rare case, even though I have seen plenty of other people happy with their fatmat.

 
I'll stick to my butyl sheets, I don't have to guess if they will fail, I know they can take the elements.

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I only debate, argue, whatever you want to call it, because of what works for me. I must be a rare case, even though I have seen plenty of other people happy with their fatmat.
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The actual, independently tested damping performance for the product. How about that? You going to debate that somehow? You argue because you don't get it! You're a rare case because you're a straight up knucklehead.

Why don't you just come into these threads and blabber a bunch of other nonsense about how 5000 other products you've used worked for you. Same **** thing. "I used Mansingill Man Douche and I've never felt so clean and fresh. I know it works because I'm not so dirty now and stuff." - bigbanganecdotes

It's a good thing we have science to make informed decisions on rather than a load of turds dumped into threads on an online forum by guys like Mr FatMat Allstar, here.

 
ok so fatmat compared to B-quiet extreme which is better and will hold up better, i figure u need alot to do my roof one layer at least would lik 2 layers and 3 layers on each front door

 
ok so fatmat compared to B-quiet extreme which is better and will hold up better, i figure u need alot to do my roof one layer at least would lik 2 layers and 3 layers on each front door
i hope they banned you for being a moron in this thread, for the last time neither should be used that is your final answer.

 
Save up some scratch, and buy some Damplifier Pro in the biggest quantity you can afford, apply to car,

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And BTW thanks Rudy for sounddeadenershowdown.com that's mainly why I decided to go with SSA DP //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

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Yeah.. I got 5x as much Fatmat for 1/2 the price of Dynamat... last i knew that would make it like 10x cheaper... and after teh whole trunk (double layers where needed) i still have a solid 50sq.ft. left

It's all a matter of preference IMO, same with people spending $250 for an HDC3 while others spend $1k+ on other subs that don't outperform the AQ... You use what you want, i ill use what i want, it works just fine for me (and many others) and gained me 2.3dB so i would say money well spent...

it is 1* here (wind chill of -21*) I will go throw some FatMat on a piece of plexi and leave it outside all winter long and see what happens. I'll throw it on there this week, I leave for Basic Training/AIT Jan. 8th and get back in July sometime and see what we got...

 
Yeah.. I got 5x as much Fatmat for 1/2 the price of Dynamat... last i knew that would make it like 10x cheaper... and after teh whole trunk (double layers where needed) i still have a solid 50sq.ft. leftIt's all a matter of preference IMO, same with people spending $250 for an HDC3 while others spend $1k+ on other subs that don't outperform the AQ... You use what you want, i ill use what i want, it works just fine for me (and many others) and gained me 2.3dB so i would say money well spent...

it is 1* here (wind chill of -21*) I will go throw some FatMat on a piece of plexi and leave it outside all winter long and see what happens. I'll throw it on there this week, I leave for Basic Training/AIT Jan. 8th and get back in July sometime and see what we got...
Well I have no idea what numbers you are talking about, but Fatmat is not 1/10 the price of Dynamat. Not even Dynamat Extreme.
And again, why do you chose to compare prices to the notoriously over priced "Dynamat"? How about compare prices to the best bang for your buck butyl mat instead (raamat)? If you feel the need to sandbag your figures to make your purchase seem better, maybe that should tell you something.

And finally, I thought we made it clear your test to see if the mat falls off or not really does not prove or disprove anything. Asphalt mat is inconsistent. Maybe you got a good batch, who knows, who cares. Point is, even when it stays stuck, it doesn't do its job nearly so well as butyl based mats. Rudy's testing has proven that the cheaper asphalt alternatives are NOT the best value when performance is considered. Its only the best value when nothing else is considered other than price. In which case, Id suggest a mixture of dried mud, sand and clay (adobe). Its free.

 
it is 1* here (wind chill of -21*) I will go throw some FatMat on a piece of plexi and leave it outside all winter long and see what happens. I'll throw it on there this week, I leave for Basic Training/AIT Jan. 8th and get back in July sometime and see what we got...
Adhesion is one requirement, but damping is what we're really after. I really don't think many understand that "mat deadener" has an optimum performance temperature that's highest at room temp (70*F). If you graph the damping peformance you'll see a bell-shaped curve.

In the frozen tundra (currently -6*F here in MN) damping is basically non-existant. Just look at the DLF figures for Dynamat Extreme, for example.....and remember that FatMat is NOWHERE near that performance as asphalt is a horrible vibration decoupler compared to a quality butylene composite. By the numbers, damping decreases by at least 500% as you approach 0*F and this is one of the best CLD mats you can buy. Just who exactly do you think you are fooling, here?

Acoustic Loss Factor @ Temperature (Using ASTM method E756@ 200 Hz):




0.081 @ +14F (-10C)




0.240 @ +32F (+0C)




0.257 @ +50F (+10C)




0.417 @ +68F (+20C)




0.259 @ +86F (+30C)




0.194 @ +104F (+40C)




0.140 @ +122F (+50C)




0.094 @ +140F (+60C)

 
I'm not arguing with anyone... I got what i got, it works for me... that is all...

HOWEVER as for the price, DynoMat was like $199.98 fr a 20sq.ft. "trunk kit" here. I got 100sq.ft. for about $110 shipped. that is 5X the mat for 1/2 the price therefore 10X cheaper... I KNOW THAT IS DYNAMAT AND THTA SHIT IS EXPENSIVE but that is all thta is available localy. At the time i was ona tight budget, had i had more money i would have went with something else. I already said i got teh FatMat becuase it was dirt cheap but like i ssid i have no complaints so....

FATMAT SUCKS!!! IT IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY!!! ALUMINUM FOIL AND RUBBER CEMENT WOULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN FATMAT!!!

there, we all happy now?

 
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