Ed has the ural for sale for real now?

[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

Actually a quote from Gudrun himself:

"Last week at the Sinsheim show we have shown for the first time the Helix Competition conductor head unit. It is developed in a co-operation with our Russian distributor and his engineers. We have the exclusive rights of the technology only for Germany and our Russian partner can sell it under his Ural brand with a different design to other countries. The design of the Helix Conductor is made by us and they cannot use our design for their Ural brand."

 

[slick rick 10+ year member]

owned...

 

[El Ropo 10+ year member]

Actually a quote from Gudrun himself:
"Last week at the Sinsheim show we have shown for the first time the Helix Competition conductor head unit. It is developed in a co-operation with our Russian distributor and his engineers. We have the exclusive rights of the technology only for Germany and our Russian partner can sell it under his Ural brand with a different design to other countries. The design of the Helix Conductor faceplate is made by us and they cannot use our design for their Ural brand."

There, fixed //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[locotony 10+ year member]

Actually a quote from Gudrun himself:
"Last week at the Sinsheim show we have shown for the first time the Helix Competition conductor head unit. It is developed in a co-operation with our Russian distributor and his engineers. We have the exclusive rights of the technology only for Germany and our Russian partner can sell it under his Ural brand with a different design to other countries. The design of the Helix Conductor is made by us and they cannot use our design for their Ural brand."

What don't you understand, the Ural has been out for three years Helix CC is just coming to market, main difference between the two is the faceplate and firmware, Is it so hard to believe the Russians could develope something this good. And please post your source as well, Mine happens to be one of the original russian beta testers of the unit and is in contact with the developers regularly.

 

[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

What don't you understand, the Ural has been out for three years Helix CC is just coming to market, main difference between the two is the faceplate and firmware, Is it so hard to believe the Russians could develope something this good. And please post your source as well, Mine happens to be one of the original russian beta testers of the unit and is in contact with the developers regularly.

My source is from Brax themselves. The email sent had the quote in it. Feel free to contact them. Im also waiting for an email back from them for more info. A quote from Gudrun was enough for me, but apparently not for others.

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

what is the expected price?

 

[locotony 10+ year member]

From brax.ru translated

Company Audiotec FISCHER (Germany) is the producer of the automobile acoustic components of class Hi- fie, to the corresponding highest standards of technology and quality. Acoustic systems and amplifiers until recently were their production.Now in the rule head device will be present.

Head device is based on the apparatus platform Ural Concert CDD. the original chart technology solutions, software and interface - are developed Aac-nirokr

 

Into the tasks of command DW (DesignWorks) entered the development of design and construction of the front panel of the head device of mul'timediynoy auto-audiosystem, device will be sold on the markets for western Europe under trade mark HELIX

In the construction of production adapt the stainless steel, aluminum, their glass-, but not plastic imitations. Firm "simple, logical and chopped" style, interesects the remaining production of firm, emphasizes eksklyuzivnost' and belonging of this apparatus with class Hi- fie

Vse control is accomplished by enkoderom and one additional button with the use of a mul'timediynogo menu with the animation.

Interface works according to the principle of step-by-step warming up sleva-napravo and vverkh-vniz

Helix Competition Conductor Possesses the unique possibility of programming all functions by user. Apparatus is built on the apparatus platform with the lifelong renovation of software through the site of producer.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I was going to say.....from the original quote 6spdcoupe posted, it didn't sound like Brax/Helix designed the entire unit....more like they took the unit that was designed by Ural, then changed a few things to make it "their own". And, as a result, other companies (even Ural) can not use the official "Brax/Helix" version/design.

That was simply my interpretation of the quote you posted 6spd.

 

[GaryN]

I was going to say.....from the original quote 6spdcoupe posted, it didn't sound like Brax/Helix designed the entire unit....more like they took the unit that was designed by Ural, then changed a few things to make it "their own". And, as a result, other companies (even Ural) can not use the official "Brax/Helix" version/design.
That was simply my interpretation of the quote you posted 6spd.

Be carefull with interpretation...

You are wrong.

No one piece of that HU (and any other HU in the world) where Helix do anything. Moreover, Helix don't know what is CDD, Ural ConceRt and, of cource, what is "Conductor" (but, in fact, he plans to ask russians).

"Conductor" is not exist... and will not. This is a pure speculation.

"as a result, other companies (even Ural) can not use the official "Brax/Helix" version/design"

result of what?! Helix spend any time or money in this project? Naive! For what? To stick label is quite enough...

Ask Helix about "his" faceplate and (wow!) "his" firmware... almost Helix's space satellite.... Very impressive...

But who? Where? When? Why?

Funny story //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The answer (URAL) is not so far:

1. Get URAL ConceRt CDD (because you never can't get Helix CC)

2. Enter "Setup" -> "About" menu (you'll see "Info" screen)

3. long press knob: you'll see "Modules"

4. next long press: you'll see "Statistics"

5. and last long press: you'll see "About"

6. don't touch knob... and URAL tell you WHO is WHO...

What Helix?! Kindergarten......See Helix's product line and draw a conclusion. They has no digital guys at all and has no plans to develope HU in 21 century. Only make money.... "To each his own"

"they took the unit that was designed by Ural, then changed a few things to make it "their own""

What is the name of that "took"?

"Helix Competition Conductor Possesses the unique possibility of programming all functions by user. Apparatus is built on the apparatus platform with the lifelong renovation of software through the site of producer."

Cool! And what about the same URAL's unique possibility?

So much garbage... and hoaxes... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Be carefull with interpretation...
You are wrong.

No one piece of that HU (and any other HU in the world) where Helix do anything. Moreover, Helix don't know what is CDD, Ural ConceRt and, of cource, what is "Conductor" (but, in fact, he plans to ask russians).

"Conductor" is not exist... and will not. This is a pure speculation.

"as a result, other companies (even Ural) can not use the official "Brax/Helix" version/design"

result of what?! Helix spend any time or money in this project? Naive! For what? To stick label is quite enough...

Ask Helix about "his" faceplate and (wow!) "his" firmware... almost Helix's space satellite.... Very impressive...

But who? Where? When? Why?

Funny story //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The answer (URAL) is not so far:

1. Get URAL ConceRt CDD (because you never can't get Helix CC)

2. Enter "Setup" -> "About" menu (you'll see "Info" screen)

3. long press knob: you'll see "Modules"

4. next long press: you'll see "Statistics"

5. and last long press: you'll see "About"

6. don't touch knob... and URAL tell you WHO is WHO...

What Helix?! Kindergarten......See Helix's product line and draw a conclusion. They has no digital guys at all and has no plans to develope HU in 21 century. Only make money.... "To each his own"

"they took the unit that was designed by Ural, then changed a few things to make it "their own""

What is the name of that "took"?

"Helix Competition Conductor Possesses the unique possibility of programming all functions by user. Apparatus is built on the apparatus platform with the lifelong renovation of software through the site of producer."

Cool! And what about the same URAL's unique possibility?

So much garbage... and hoaxes... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

I would respond to that....but I simply have no idea what the fuck you are saying. Your location is Russia, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume either you don't speak English fluently, or you typed up that response and used a free translation service.......but that post is for the most part completely unintelligible.

But, like I said...I never claimed to know exact specifications of the transactions between Helix and Ural. Only stating what I took from the quote 6spdcoupe posted. So, if you wish to come in here and post factual information, please do it in a manor that would allow us to actually understand what you are typing.

 

[GaryN]

I simply have no idea what the fuck you are saying.



or you typed up that response and used a free translation service...



....but that post is for the most part completely unintelligible.

do not take "fuck I'm saying" so much to heart...

squeak9798, would you be my free translation service //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Is there anybody here who understand my typing? If no, then I'll stop //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

 

[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

I have no clue wth you just typed...

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

do not take "fuck I'm saying" so much to heart...squeak9798, would you be my free translation service //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Is there anybody here who understand my typing? If no, then I'll stop //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

I would say send it to my wife for translation, but she doesn't have the time.

I think I understood your original post to be something along the lines of the the Helix "design" will not see the market. If it ever does, they didn't do the work themselves, they paid someone else to "modify" the Ural design that they "stole." I haven't spoken with my mother or father-in-law in a long time so my Russian broken English is not where it used to be.

 

[locotony 10+ year member]

What gary is saying (and yes he is a ural user) is that helix did not design the unit, ural/acc will be the company building the unit if it ever does come to market and that the only Helix portion is the faceplate, which, BTW, is designed by another russian firm, design works. If it ever does come out the Helix will be available in one country, germany

Back on normal topic of the Ural, after a week of use the unit is amazing me more and more everyday with what it is capable of and am having more and more fun diving further into what it is capable of and experimenting (hey its been 5 years since I had a 30 band EQ in the car or this much tweakability at my fingertips)

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

im trying to figure out if i should get one of these over a h701 combo and new alpine HU