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5'10" 190 6 months id like to be arount 12-14% bodyfat and around 210
Whey protein is a great pre/post workout suppliment with completely NO SIDE EFFECTS!!!!!
If you aren't looking to get HUGE, and you are doing this to stay healthy and in shape, there is no reason for you to risk taking anything more than whey protein.
Okay, if you are a lean 5' 10" 190 is REAL big. 5' 10" 210 is MASSIVE if you are lean and in shape.
I would say 190 is a real good weight if you want to be on the big size, and look to be in great shape.
Woah, woah, woah slow down. I never ever said that, and in my post before that I actually stated some great aerobic excercises you can do in conjunction with weight training. Second after doing a certain amount of running/swimming/ etc your body will go into a catobilic state that while you will continue to burn calories it is going to also start to eat into you muscle. Why do you think swimmers and sprinters have such bigger builds than say long distance runners, bikers. Granted while there sports require a different build, it is because if you are running 10 miles a day this indeed does reduce testosterone and will result in loss of muscle after a while.
"Anaerobic exercises use resistance so that you will also be building muscle and bone as an added benefit. Aerobic exercise will have more of an impact on the cardiovascular and circulatory system. Combining the two would give the greatest health benefits. " http://www.doctorsexercise.com/journal/aerobic.htm
Some good basic links i could dig up before i go to the gym.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=538637
http://www.davedraper.com/hiit-cardio-training.html
I have about 3 years worth of links in my favorites that i can dig up later if needed. Again i never argued that you should do no cardio, just that you will burn more calories in perspective while gaining muscle with lifting.
best bet for a beginner new to supplements would be take no xplode for a pre workout supplement, drink tons of water, maybe BSN cellmass for a post workout creatine (or no creatine if you want) and find a Whey protein you like with a high 20 something gram per serving...and watch your diet...eat well and train regularly.
I on the other hand am trying to get big anyone got any tips on that? i seem to have hit a wall where i cant gain any weight past 230 lbs
I on the other hand am trying to get big anyone got any tips on that? i seem to have hit a wall where i cant gain any weight past 230 lbs
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i do want to be big.... im shrinking out of my **** shirts.... I want people to actually think i work out not just am a big short kid... It helps for bouncing to, cuz when you need to get someone out and make a statement , they remember ." that guy is strong " ill watch what i do or say when i get retarded drunk..
Im not doin this for other ppl to look at , or for work but it is an icebreaker sometimes, im doin this for me cuz im not happy of a=how small i got from how i was
yaaaa finally another bouncer!!!
Yes but what would you say the average weight of someone that is a distance runner or biker. Im 5'11, 235lbs at a 9% bf( will get below that for summer) and i know i cant run 5 miles in that amount of time, nor would i want to. And I could make the same argument with Competition bodybuilders(which yes i know are not natural, but most runners/bikers are not either) and have the same point. Your telling me that Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler dont burn a thousand calories doing lunges outside in 110 degree texas heat with 500lbs on their back? The training they go through is just as if not more rigorous than what you are describing
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Runners and Bikers have a smaller build because they are building different muscle tissue in a different way. I'm sure everyone is aware of fast and slow twitch muscle. And the muscle fibers arent being built for low rep of heavy load, they are being built for low load for long, long periods of time.
I know lifters can peak higher than bikers/runners (to an extent...lance armstrong isnt the only one sustaining 200bpm + for a good ammount of time...though he is probably the best when it comes to that) The body only eats its own muscle if enough protiene and calories are not provided.
You mention rest metabolic rates and they are generally inversely proportionate to rest heart rate. Not many lifters can say they have a resting BPM of less than 40. It is uncommon for me but there have been occasions where I have taken true rest BPM (after an 8hr + sleep before moving) just below 40bpm. 40bpm after 8hrs rest isnt uncommon among bikers, swimmers, and runners but 50-60bpm is considered in good shape. 70bpm being the average in the US IIRC.
youse a lil chunky? or meaty?
I see you suggest no xplode a lot. Are you not worried at all about the possible consequences of taking something like that?
NO XPLODE IS NOT FDA APPROVED, and right on the bottle it even says there may be some extra ingriedients in it not listed on the label. Seems very risky to take something like that.
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Here is my experienc:
In HS, I never drank- not even once. I was a 2-time All-State wrestler in the state's largest division, and I wanted to go on and wrestle in college. I was a 119 lb. wrestler, and I refused to cut weight. I was benching my body weight for sets of 12 or more starting when I was 15.
In college, I wrestled Division I, starting almost every match as a freshman. I went on a lifting binge before and after each season and got up to 132 (as a freshman) before cutting to 118 and 126 (those weight classes no longer exist). I did this for my first couple of years. After I got SICK of that, I moved up to 133 for my Senior year, and I really lifted seriously, still NEVER drinking. I had part of one drink on my 21st birthday- that was it.
At 22, I finished wrestling and graduated. I started drinking from time to time, gradually doing so more often while I was in law school. The whole time, I lifted like crazy. By the time I was up to 135 lb., I was repping 225 on bench 2-3 times. I was also power-clean-and-pressing 205.
As my drinking and lifting continued, I never saw much of a detrimental impact. As a matter of fact, when I made an assault at breaking the goal of benching 2x my body weight, I STILL drank any time I went out- which was 2-4 times a week. I drank beer and/or liquor, and as long as I got enough sleep and otherwise ate correctly, I never saw a drop in performance. Right through breaking the 300 lb. bench plateau, I drank. Through 315 lb., I drank. I was even in competetions and still drank regularly. Now, I was eating, sleeping, and training CORRECTLY to be able to continue these gains, but you CAN drink alcohol- even in copious amounts- if you otherwise treat your body well.
Now, 5 years later, I found that drinking is MUCH more impactful on my lifting. Last year, when my wife was pregnant, I did not drink out of respect for her inability to drink. My lifting improved by leaps and bounds during that "dry" spell. Now that I am back on the bottle (from time to time), moderation is the key.
So the take-home message? If you train your @$$ off and eat & sleep well, you can "outrun" the detrimental effects of alcohol- for a while. At some point, though, it will catch up to you and you will have to modify your behavior if you want to see maximum results in the gym.
In HS, I never drank- not even once. I was a 2-time All-State wrestler in the state's largest division, and I wanted to go on and wrestle in college. I was a 119 lb. wrestler, and I refused to cut weight. I was benching my body weight for sets of 12 or more starting when I was 15.
In college, I wrestled Division I, starting almost every match as a freshman. I went on a lifting binge before and after each season and got up to 132 (as a freshman) before cutting to 118 and 126 (those weight classes no longer exist). I did this for my first couple of years. After I got SICK of that, I moved up to 133 for my Senior year, and I really lifted seriously, still NEVER drinking. I had part of one drink on my 21st birthday- that was it.
At 22, I finished wrestling and graduated. I started drinking from time to time, gradually doing so more often while I was in law school. The whole time, I lifted like crazy. By the time I was up to 135 lb., I was repping 225 on bench 2-3 times. I was also power-clean-and-pressing 205.
As my drinking and lifting continued, I never saw much of a detrimental impact. As a matter of fact, when I made an assault at breaking the goal of benching 2x my body weight, I STILL drank any time I went out- which was 2-4 times a week. I drank beer and/or liquor, and as long as I got enough sleep and otherwise ate correctly, I never saw a drop in performance. Right through breaking the 300 lb. bench plateau, I drank. Through 315 lb., I drank. I was even in competetions and still drank regularly. Now, I was eating, sleeping, and training CORRECTLY to be able to continue these gains, but you CAN drink alcohol- even in copious amounts- if you otherwise treat your body well.
Now, 5 years later, I found that drinking is MUCH more impactful on my lifting. Last year, when my wife was pregnant, I did not drink out of respect for her inability to drink. My lifting improved by leaps and bounds during that "dry" spell. Now that I am back on the bottle (from time to time), moderation is the key.
So the take-home message? If you train your @$$ off and eat & sleep well, you can "outrun" the detrimental effects of alcohol- for a while. At some point, though, it will catch up to you and you will have to modify your behavior if you want to see maximum results in the gym.
currently im not taking no xplod im taking superpump 250...try that if no explod scares you but i know 100's of kids on no xplode
I have never heard of superpump 250, or done any research on it, so I can't comment. But I think people should be a little more careful before taking things.
And just because you know tons of people who take it, doesn't mean it is safe to take. I got a friend who takes it, and of course I can't notice anything wrong with him since he has been taking it. But who knows how it will effect people down the road. That is why I am VERY cautious with products that are as new as NO Xplode.
There are still people out there that think creatine could have negative side effects since people haven't been taking it long enough to see the full effects. And I would take creatine way before I would take many of the other suppliments.
Not to mention their usefullness is also still up for debate.
I can see a 6 pack and when i get below 11% by 9% my bottom abs come in nicely. I used to weigh 210lbs at i would imagine around a 30-35% bf my sophmore year in hs(yes very "chunky". I decided to quit being fat and havent looked back since. I started by doing the whole bulking/cutting thing but found it to be not as successful than being a steady 3000-4000 cals where i can put on solid muscle and still mantain some definition. I do a sort of a "cut" before summer where i watch my sodium intake up the cardio a little but not much else than that and have learned to control my weight pretty nicely. I am in college however so the occasional drinking does impact my goals in the gym, but i figure you only live once.
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