DO NOT go to CIA Engineering for amp repair

like i say, most likely im just being fed another line.
well, looks like thats all it was. he told me that it would be up and running by the weekend last week, and here it is thursday of the next week. im starting to really get annoyed, at this point i just want my amp back. if its not ready by next week, im gonna just ask for it back, ill send it elsewhere. this is rediculous.

 
monday audiotekx got my amp. they got back to me with an email (that i read today) and found nothing wrong but he's gonna test it a couple more days to make sure.

very responsive guys. great guys as well.

their cs is what made me go to them instead of cia (and the pricing; no charge except shipping if nothing is found wrong whereas cia charges $25 for diagnostics).

 
Amps aren't worth being repaired by anyone but the factory. When an amp does blow just about every piece on that circuit before and after is pretty much junk and needs to be replaced. And, there are usually bad leads and all sorts of nastly little things. The factory, pulls the old board and puts a new one in.....

So basically, if your amps shit, use it as a pretty door stop....

 
Amps aren't worth being repaired by anyone but the factory. When an amp does blow just about every piece on that circuit before and after is pretty much junk and needs to be replaced. And, there are usually bad leads and all sorts of nastly little things. The factory, pulls the old board and puts a new one in.....
So basically, if your amps shit, use it as a pretty door stop....
i can't really afford to pay the price for a new 20.1 from IA so i gotta make-do with my current situation. plus it's working fine apparently //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

but if it was blown, i'd be pissed $550 down the drain. but i could get a better amp as well. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/yumyum.gif.0556df42231b304b9c995aefd13928a8.gif

 
I had the same problem when i blew a niche audio na6000d (they use the same board) local company here said they couldn't fix it because niche wouldn't provide them with a schematic. and since they no longer produce them they wouldn't cover it under warrenty wither, the only thing they suggested was giving me a smaller amp at half the power, i was so pissed.

audiotekx assured me they could fix it, but after this post i'm not to sure, good luck with your venture.

 
Well, a lot of people buy used. I never do, because I like a little thing called a Warranty that lets the factory worry about it if there is a problem... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
i guess it's based on what you can afford i say. used equipment you usually get a deal on (especially if it's still under warranty but not often).

but then again in the long run you may spend more than what a new one would cost anyways.

meh. i've taken my chances before. blown 2 amps. but one is being replaced with a treo amp by a friend. the other was refurbed and i was sol.

 
Amps aren't worth being repaired by anyone but the factory. When an amp does blow just about every piece on that circuit before and after is pretty much junk and needs to be replaced. And, there are usually bad leads and all sorts of nastly little things. The factory, pulls the old board and puts a new one in.....
So basically, if your amps shit, use it as a pretty door stop....
Im usually not rude online (or I try not to be), but that statement is pretty ridiculas. I dont suppose you have anything to back up your statement, like reasons why a perfectly good capacitor thats in parallel with a FET still wouldnt last longer or function properly just because it was once in a circuit that failed. Thats like saying if you blow your head gasket, you'll never be able to seal it up again and have it as a functioning engine. I think that analogy perfectly fits to what you're statment suggests.

Not all factory's replace the board, ever heard of a little device called a rework/solder reflow station? You might want to research it a bit and see that its what many board repair places (including the factory) use to fix trace and solder junction problems, or damage to the traces in a repair instance.

 
Im usually not rude online (or I try not to be), but that statement is pretty ridiculas. I dont suppose you have anything to back up your statement, like reasons why a perfectly good capacitor thats in parallel with a FET still wouldnt last longer or function properly just because it was once in a circuit that failed. Thats like saying if you blow your head gasket, you'll never be able to seal it up again and have it as a functioning engine. I think that analogy perfectly fits to what you're statment suggests.
Not all factory's replace the board, ever heard of a little device called a rework/solder reflow station? You might want to research it a bit and see that its what many board repair places (including the factory) use to fix trace and solder junction problems, or damage to the traces in a repair instance.
Well, here are some prefect examples for you. I have worked in the radio and audio industry my entire life, and my father and grandfather have before me. So, its not like I am talking out of my ***, and I would say 90% of devices that have a major circuit malfunction have other hidden problems with components because of the stress they go under during the circuit failure, ESPECIALLY if the problem is in the power supply. I have seen it in so many repeaters and pro-audio amps that have blown power supplies, you fix that then the output drivers goes then the rectifier diodes than something else than something else until you have rebuilt the whole thing. Circuits don't blow up with out a cause, and there is the rare case of having a bad transistor or diode starting out but most of them are caused by over heating, a voltage spike, non proper loading of the circuit (user and design error, perfect design case was in some old Klark Teknik DN360 EQ’s one of the tone chips would always over heat and break which had to be changed regularly), and all of that stuff puts stress on all of the components not just the one that was obviously damaged. Another example was in a pro amp, its outputs were blown, so they were replaced easy fix 4 transistors and everything worked tested fine and sounded fine, 3 days later after being reinstalled 2 of the caps which fed the output transistors decided to have a melt down and actually popped. Put a new amp (same model and brand) into the application and it has been running with out problem for 6 years now. Same experience with some Behringer Comp/Gates, MX440’s I think, we have repaired. Simple diodes, everything else checked fine, but a short time after the fix the output circuit lit up. Like I said 90% of the ‘repaired’ devices have either ended up with the same problem or something worse. The devices that have new boards put into them no problems what so ever. And anymore in the Pro-Audio/Home Audio/Radio words new boards are always put in and the old ones get ripped down and retraced and all new parts are put on them (key is ALL). My experience with car audio has been the same. My 12.1 decided to make a nice smoke show, and when I got it back brand new board in side. It was a rebuild board by the way. SO, go a head and repair it and you might have a great amp or whatever for years and years but it’s always still going to be half assed.

 
well, i got an email from JK yesterday saying my amp will be done with extra burn in testing by wed or thursday at the latest. he says he just wants to give it plenty of test time to make sure everything is ok, so we'll see

 
all i know is one of my 2000d's has been at soundstream for weeks. they called me mon/tues of last week sayin itll ship out next day..still not here. was really expecting it today at the latest..and they didnt supply me with a tracking number. and i still have to send my other one in..//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

 
Well, here are some prefect examples for you. I have worked in the radio and audio industry my entire life, and my father and grandfather have before me. So, its not like I am talking out of my ***, and I would say 90% of devices that have a major circuit malfunction have other hidden problems with components because of the stress they go under during the circuit failure, ESPECIALLY if the problem is in the power supply. I have seen it in so many repeaters and pro-audio amps that have blown power supplies, you fix that then the output drivers goes then the rectifier diodes than something else than something else until you have rebuilt the whole thing. Circuits don't blow up with out a cause, and there is the rare case of having a bad transistor or diode starting out but most of them are caused by over heating, a voltage spike, non proper loading of the circuit (user and design error, perfect design case was in some old Klark Teknik DN360 EQ’s one of the tone chips would always over heat and break which had to be changed regularly), and all of that stuff puts stress on all of the components not just the one that was obviously damaged. Another example was in a pro amp, its outputs were blown, so they were replaced easy fix 4 transistors and everything worked tested fine and sounded fine, 3 days later after being reinstalled 2 of the caps which fed the output transistors decided to have a melt down and actually popped. Put a new amp (same model and brand) into the application and it has been running with out problem for 6 years now. Same experience with some Behringer Comp/Gates, MX440’s I think, we have repaired. Simple diodes, everything else checked fine, but a short time after the fix the output circuit lit up. Like I said 90% of the ‘repaired’ devices have either ended up with the same problem or something worse. The devices that have new boards put into them no problems what so ever. And anymore in the Pro-Audio/Home Audio/Radio words new boards are always put in and the old ones get ripped down and retraced and all new parts are put on them (key is ALL). My experience with car audio has been the same. My 12.1 decided to make a nice smoke show, and when I got it back brand new board in side. It was a rebuild board by the way. SO, go a head and repair it and you might have a great amp or whatever for years and years but it’s always still going to be half assed.

you're right, we should all just throw away our amps when they blow. I shouldnt have spoken like that out loud...im frightfully sorry.

 
you're right, we should all just throw away our amps when they blow. I shouldnt have spoken like that out loud...im frightfully sorry.
You should be.... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

You might have had good experience... I am just speaking from my own....

 
You should be.... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif
You might have had good experience... I am just speaking from my own....
ive had nothing but good luck with refurbs and repaired amps..... i dont know but one or 2 ppl that have either...

 
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