Originally posted by zane Truley it is the mark of an un-educated mind to dispute the proven facts, even if they are right before them.
zane did you see it proven somewhere------ point it out to me-- I don't see it
I took a break from here for a bit. In addition to personal time constraints; I simply got tired of your condescending attitude and denseness in our previous discussion on the matter.
No matter---
Josh has clearly explained all the details relavant to this matter and backed them up with reputable sources. I see absolutely none of this same courtesy being extended on your behalf in support of your argument.
read above-------- did you really want to continue this thread------ I have alot of things to show
Just the childish "I'm right because I said so!" remarks.
come on man--- where did I say that?
I honestly do not see how you can believe that caps are beneficial with the overabundance of information present that clearly contradicts that.
again zane -----what information?--------or OVERABUNDANCE of------ i'm sure if it was that much I would have seen it
can you point out -----------just one thing?
how do you REALLY believe caps aren't? They're caps....... that is what their purpose is. I can't even begin to tell you in how many devices these---- unbenificial things ----are in
millons------ billions of devices------- your amps already have some capacitance--- is it a design flaw? no I don't think so either
Josh has been a good deal more thorough and patient than I was, however, we both share the same conclusion regarding caps.
how ? why? I don't understand what is telling you caps are worthless? Not anything related to electricity. what info points to the idea that caps are bad?
An electrical load is defined in automotive terms as any device or object that requires the assistance of of the charging system to maintain its proper functionability.
lets just say the cap acts as an electricial dampener---- I think that's is a better decription
On another note- I dont see the complication in this matter.
http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/capacitr.htm
well the pictures aren't correct when comparing cap to batterys but the text is about right
except for the ---------
This is because there has been some discussion as to whether a capacitor is a help or a hinderence when it comes to keeping the voltage at a higher level than without it. Of course, if you ask someone that's spent more than $100 on a capacitor if it helped, they'll tell you that it has. Why on earth would someone 'fess up' to wasting that much money on 'snake oil'. I've yet to see a capacitor increase the SPL in any system.
snake oil------ good one ...... I see the person who wrote that page is still confused about the use of caps---------- and whats the discussion about?
a cap acts as a cap-------simple
Also- a point of interest regarding the Class A,B, and Class D amplifiers. This is pretty close to what Josh was saying earlier regarding the Class D's efficiency over the others.
http://www.irf.com/whats-new/nr010515.html
I not sure why you posted a link about class D amps
no one is saying they aren't efficient------
All in all- I believe you may eat your previous words about learning things correctly.
Not trying to be an a*s, just trying to dispell a myth.
take it easy,
-zane
what's the myth?
you aren't saying caps WORKING is a myth are you?
why?---says who---or what study--- book?
after all of the arguing about caps -------- whats been proven ?
at first the arument was about me saying there not loads------- so I said not at the same time or not in the same way as a normal load------ something to that effect
then somehow the graphs were put up to prove that caps are useless
but when I said the graphs were talking about HIGH ESR caps ------- he then changed the arguement too
being able to find low ESR caps-------- which i did-----not sure why
because the topic was getting side tracked ------- I tried to find common ground on the BASIC issues which were.......
because it car audio we should only be talking about ---------low ESR caps
and that there are 2 sources of current in a system with a cap--------somehow that was WRONG-------- and the "correct" answer was 1 source with the cap discharged
was it me or do they mean the same thing?
anyway---------
he started saying -------caps are just for "the install look" but came back later to state the amps internal capacitance will take care of the music dynamics------
so I jumped in a stated----------- so adding more is better------- and somehow he seems to think it's not
so it's good when in the amp-------- but a load and bad when you add some
then the attacks came--- at me
blah----blah----blah
so I haven't "seen the info you speak of
so it wasn't proven---------- have yet to see it proven
then the random people came by to throw an egg or too
now i'm talking to you and you seem to be claiming to things-------1 caps are loads and 2 they are worthless correct?
1------ I think this is just problem with the way caps work------ and depends how you want to look at them
your ASE book is defining a load------- not a cap
yes caps draw current-------- of course-----but they also share the load too with the alternator
by the way the ASE define loads----------- the alternator would be one to----- don't you agree? as it doesn't work without the charging systems help--------- I don't concider them a "LOAD" though---------- same with caps but for another reason------ they act as dampeners
2------- for your claim to this ------- i;m not sure how you got to that assumption but would like to discuss it
so you are claiming the use of caps in high current stiffening is worthless?--------
k------ if you believe that then do they work in high voltage needs?
the only difference would be the required ESR------
guys---- I would still like to discuss the issue of caps ------ if everyone done throwing eggs at me------- sorry-----guys---i'm an ass
I guess I get stressed answering the same Q all the time----------
even if we were to debate it and find an answer---------- people would still believe what ever they want to------- and this type of discussion would go to the end of time
all over the -------simple cap