DC lvl 2 8"

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

hahah u mad?

nope

no he's not, you're just an idiot //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

this

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

This type of mentality is why car audio shops keep going out of business. They do it to protect their dealers, simple as that.

I believe that DC undercutting their dealers' prices by selling direct for cheaper is hurting the car audio shops. Just because I live in a certain area I'm not entitled to the cheaper direct prices that Billy-Bob McSisterfucker gets because he lives in the sticks?

Does that seem like a fair way to operate a business?

I'd like to see you try to explain how offering direct prices that are a good deal cheaper than shop prices is in any way helping those local shops. How is undercutting considered as "protecting their dealers?" It makes no sense, and just gives people reason to try and bypass the local shops that carry their equipment.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

I believe that DC undercutting their dealers' prices by selling direct for cheaper is hurting the car audio shops. Just because I live in a certain area I'm not entitled to the cheaper direct prices that Billy-Bob McSisterfucker gets because he lives in the sticks?
Does that seem like a fair way to operate a business?

I sorta agree with you, man....except I live in the sticks and get the dealer direct pricing. I can see being pissed about not getting the direct pricing, but it wouldn't be fair for guys like me to have to drive 4 hours to buy a DC sub. We shouldn't have to miss out because of where we live.

I contacted Treo about pricing a year or so back and was put in touch with a dealer that's 3.5 hours away from my house. No way am I going to drive a 7 hour round trip to buy a sub. The point? More companies need to have direct sales as well as a dealer program...

 

[stangman67 10+ year member]

Prices should be the same then, or they should just not have dealers.

 

[Johnny Law.Lulz 5,000+ posts]

I sorta agree with you, man....except I live in the sticks and get the dealer direct pricing. I can see being pissed about not getting the direct pricing, but it wouldn't be fair for guys like me to have to drive 4 hours to buy a DC sub. We shouldn't have to miss out because of where we live.
I contacted Treo about pricing a year or so back and was put in touch with a dealer that's 3.5 hours away from my house. No way am I going to drive a 7 hour round trip to buy a sub. The point? More companies need to have direct sales as well as a dealer program...

There shouldnt be an extra incentive though. Dealer direct pricing should be the same as dealer pricing, or atleast suggested retail. Lets use Sundown. If jacob says its takes $150 to slap a nightshade together, sells it for $200 and tells dealers to sell it for $250, then jacob by ethics should have a dealer direct price on that same woofer of $250. If the dealer is greedy and wants to mark it to $300 then the dealer should lose that business. Anyone can lie about having dealers near them.

Thats my take on it.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I sorta agree with you, man....except I live in the sticks and get the dealer direct pricing. I can see being pissed about not getting the direct pricing, but it wouldn't be fair for guys like me to have to drive 4 hours to buy a DC sub. We shouldn't have to miss out because of where we live.

I'm just trying to say that standard direct and dealer prices should be the same. I don't think you should get a break because of where you live. If a shop wants to have a sale, then fine. If DC wants to get rid of some inventory that anyone can order online for a cheap price, fine. But having the base prices be so different is just not helping the B&Ms at all since they have more overhead and cannot compete with those prices that DC offers directly.

 

[SPLaudio 5,000+ posts]

daumn popcorn getting stale need some sour patch kids...

 

[kr15 5,000+ posts]

I contacted Treo about pricing a year or so back and was put in touch with a dealer that's 3.5 hours away from my house

Treo has some odd policies. There is a Treo dealer in my town, and because of that, treo basically will not even talk to me

 

[abrhino 10+ year member]

Both rusty and rob have pm'd me with the info I wanted. Badass customer service if u ask me

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

I believe that DC undercutting their dealers' prices by selling direct for cheaper is hurting the car audio shops. Just because I live in a certain area I'm not entitled to the cheaper direct prices that Billy-Bob McSisterfucker gets because he lives in the sticks?
Does that seem like a fair way to operate a business?

I'd like to see you try to explain how offering direct prices that are a good deal cheaper than shop prices is in any way helping those local shops. How is undercutting considered as "protecting their dealers?" It makes no sense, and just gives people reason to try and bypass the local shops that carry their equipment.

Yes, that means you are not, by their policy. They do that to try and send business to their dealers. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? They are not the first company to do this. I never said undercutting their dealers was helping them. I'm talking about you living within so many miles of a dealer. But on that note, dealers have to make their cut as well. How could they survive if they sold the subs at factory direct pricing? Their system is designed so you do not have the option to pick and choose who you buy from. That is how it helps the local shops. If you want to go the extra effort to try and bypass this, by all means do it. Not everyone is going to though. Some people do not mind paying extra knowing they have that local support. Granted most everyone here could give a **** less.

Fair or not is a subjective opinion.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Yes, that means you are not, by their policy. They do that to try and send business to their dealers. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

The point I'm making is that the system they have is fucked up and should leave a bad taste in the mouths of those who are forced to buy from a dealer or not at all(if they're wanting it new). I'd never buy a new DC woofer just because of this, even if I could get the direct discount. And the fact that they try and keep everything so secretive as far as not wanting people to post prices just makes everything even more ridiculous.

They are not the first company to do this.

Does that mean it's ok and a good business practice?

I never said undercutting their dealers was helping them.

You said their system helps direct business towards their dealers. I'm saying that the price discrepancy can turn people away from their dealers and look for ways to get direct pricing...which will hurt their dealers.

But on that note, dealers have to make their cut as well. How could they survive if they sold the subs at factory direct pricing?

That's part of my point, they can't. You're not understanding that I think factory direct pricing should be the same as the dealer pricing, ie: higher than what direct pricing is now. Of course dealers can't survive if they're selling 12" lvl3's for $150...

Fair or not is a subjective opinion.

Ok, you pay $500 for a woofer, and Steven Johnson who lives 2 miles down the street gets it for $300...fair to you?

 

[stangman67 10+ year member]

I think here is the point. It's hard to have the best of both worlds, low factory direct pricing and successful dealers. I feel like anyone should be able to purchase direct and maybe those going into shops without much knowledge would be the brick and mortar shops main customers when it comes to DC

 

[O.G. D-Wet 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif who ever cant put up e-mail and call these companies a dew times can either deal w/ buying these products used or just go back to buying mainstream from local $hithole dealers. I have no problem e-mailing Rusty and waiting a while for a response if it's gonna save me some dough for a great product. Atomic, on the other hand, treaded me like $hit through e-mails and I would never buy from them or recommend them to anyone. I'd def buy used Atomic products though as I hear they're pretty nice:nerd:

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Atomic, on the other hand, treaded me like $hit through e-mails and I would never buy from them or recommend them to anyone.

George Wu is right up there with Ben Milne of eD and Steve Miller of RD.

 

[Deadbeat 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif who ever cant put up e-mail and call these companies a dew times can either deal w/ buying these products used or just go back to buying mainstream from local $hithole dealers. I have no problem e-mailing Rusty and waiting a while for a response if it's gonna save me some dough for a great product. Atomic, on the other hand, treaded me like $hit through e-mails and I would never buy from them or recommend them to anyone. I'd def buy used Atomic products though as I hear they're pretty nice:nerd:

the point is that you dont have to go to a local $hithole dealer. . . you can simply just go with some other online dealer that has just as good of a product, comparable or better pricing, more direct with their pricing, and get everything without having to jump through hoops to get it.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

The point I'm making is that the system they have is fucked up and should leave a bad taste in the mouths of those who are forced to buy from a dealer or not at all(if they're wanting it new). I'd never buy a new DC woofer just because of this, even if I could get the direct discount. And the fact that they try and keep everything so secretive as far as not wanting people to post prices just makes everything even more ridiculous.

Does that mean it's ok and a good business practice?

You said their system helps direct business towards their dealers. I'm saying that the price discrepancy can turn people away from their dealers and look for ways to get direct pricing...which will hurt their dealers.

That's part of my point, they can't. You're not understanding that I think factory direct pricing should be the same as the dealer pricing, ie: higher than what direct pricing is now. Of course dealers can't survive if they're selling 12" lvl3's for $150...

Ok, you pay $500 for a woofer, and Steven Johnson who lives 2 miles down the street gets it for $300...fair to you?

By that, I'm not endorsing their business practice. I'm stating it's not a new concept and people should not be surprised by them implementing this.

Options for going around your local dealer are pretty limited unless you have it shipped to a friend/family member.

Say they did bump direct pricing up, then everyone would complain about that. You can't make everyone happy.

I think 2 miles is a big of an exaggeration. I'm not sure what the range is from a dealer that would make you applicable for purchasing direct. My person opinion is, unfair or not, I can understand what they're trying to do.

 

[SPLaudio 5,000+ posts]

i'll give a mod $50 to delete this j/k...

 

[mrezstreet 10+ year member]

dc don't protect the dealer!

i spent hours in my store with ppl and after that, they email rusty and he quoted em close to dealer price .

dc should be a eD cuz they are a Internet co.

dc dont protect dealers. rustys subs not bad at all. rusty is after $ not a good honer. that's fine for a Internet co.

I have talked to more dealers that rusty did that 2 (under cut )so for a retailer that has rent, kids to feed, and lights ect I cant have his junk in my shop!

dc sells direct at or close to dealer price.

as far as a biz man, rusty is a snake. as a sub maker, he has good subs,

ill sell re audio they dont sell direct ,and it same sub

i dont hate rusty.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

dc don't protect the dealer! i spent hours in my store with ppl and after that, they email rusty and he quoted em dealer price to them. dc should be a eD cuz they are a Internet co. the dont protect dealers. rustys subs not bad at all. rusty is after $ not a good honer. that's fine for a Internet co. I have talked to more dealers that rusty did that 2 so for a retailer that has rent, kids to feed, and lights ect I cant have his junk in my shop! the co sells direct at dealer price. as far as a biz man, rusty is a snake. as a sub maker, he has good subs, but ill sell re audio they dont sell direct and it same sub.....i can take any sub ship over china have em make same sub with my top plate and boot w/ logo or get the part to make em my self.i dont hate rusty.

lulz

 

[stangman67 10+ year member]

dc don't protect the dealer! i spent hours in my store with ppl and after that, they email rusty and he quoted em dealer price to them. dc should be a eD cuz they are a Internet co. the dont protect dealers. rustys subs not bad at all. rusty is after $ not a good honer. that's fine for a Internet co. I have talked to more dealers that rusty did that 2 so for a retailer that has rent, kids to feed, and lights ect I cant have his junk in my shop! the co sells direct at dealer price. as far as a biz man, rusty is a snake. as a sub maker, he has good subs, but ill sell re audio they dont sell direct and it same sub.....i can take any sub ship over china have em make same sub with my top plate and boot w/ logo or get the part to make em my self.i dont hate rusty.

What?