Completely Sub jective sound Q review.. 12w7, IDmax,mx,Oz and MORE!!... LONG thread

For the sealed test, all those subs recc. box sizes are about 1.25 cu ft. I'd say because of that and the fact that sealed boxes are pretty forgiving, its a pretty good way of reviewing the subs. Not 100% perfect, but **** good.
Recommended box size is not even close to the same thing as the enclosure/sub alignment. Recommended box enclosure volume is for people who really have no clue what they're doing with enclosure design. Manufacturers do not all have the same idea for what the "recommended" alignment should be and most of the time, they just specify a range of sizes. Why? Because they actually know that people will like the sound of different alignments and there is no such thing as the "perfect" sealed enclosure.

Ported recommendations are even worse and companies usually just give one enclosure because they know the majority of the people out there will **** up trying to make their own.

 
Guys give him a freaking break wow

z0mg!!!111!!! he didnt spend a month doing it perfectly right and we can in no way benefit from a subjective review with specific box sizes and certain power

WHY DIDNT YOU MAKE 12 Boxes!?!?!?!

Anyways, back on topic, I like it so far. Curious to see the ported test too.

 
Seriously... people don't have unlimited resources. Just like the 12" woofer roundup... lots of volunteers got together and spent a TON of their time to get what was done completed. When the folks complaining want to pay and build for 20 different enclosures and spend all of their own time building and reviewing... then they have a right to complain.

Good work Ryan. Whether the review is "scientific" or not, people can gauge whether these subs will work for them if their application is the same -- which for many folks, it will be.

 
Recommended box size is not even close to the same thing as the enclosure/sub alignment. Recommended box enclosure volume is for people who really have no clue what they're doing with enclosure design. Manufacturers do not all have the same idea for what the "recommended" alignment should be and most of the time, they just specify a range of sizes. Why? Because they actually know that people will like the sound of different alignments and there is no such thing as the "perfect" sealed enclosure.
Ported recommendations are even worse and companies usually just give one enclosure because they know the majority of the people out there will **** up trying to make their own.
You are making it seem like a couple fractions of a cubic foot will totally shift the alignment. Would you like him to plug in the specs for each driver and build a separate low Q, high Q, and butterworth alignment box for each sub? Putting a sub in a sealed box which is in the recc. range will give you a **** good idea of how it will sound in almost all comparable sealed box sizes. The OP is right when he says that most people will put a sealed 12 in a box around that size, its a good indication of real world results. I can see where you are coming from with ported boxes though, much less forgiving.

 
The ported results will be up tomorrow.. I don't have time to type for 30min. today //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Ryan

 
Guys give him a freaking break wowz0mg!!!111!!! he didnt spend a month doing it perfectly right and we can in no way benefit from a subjective review with specific box sizes and certain power

WHY DIDNT YOU MAKE 12 Boxes!?!?!?!

Anyways, back on topic, I like it so far. Curious to see the ported test too.
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I never said that. I said I was disappointed.

It's important that people know that information I posted whether or not you're happy to read it.

If you think I'm giving him a hard time, I'm not. I'm explaining why I made the first post I made. I'm not saying that his writing is worthless but I would rather not have myths flying around car audio forums based on some review. Many people will think what he did was a flawless demonstration of how each sub differs when it is not. Many of the characteristics he mentioned could easily be changed by the enclosure.

Would you rather have more people spitting out utter bullshit about a driver based on a single, inconclusive, test or have people understand why these results should be taken as something to think about and not something to swear by. This applies to the Great 12" Challenge's SQ results as well.

Imma computer is just too technical about things. He reminds me of one of them really smart people but are just plain dumbasses in the real world.
I guess then you're the guy who doesn't give a **** about details on paper and you cause planes to crash in the real world because you didn't want to get "too technical" about how much fuel you should put in the plane.

I love how much you know about me and how often you try to tell me I'm a failure at life. It cracks me up.

 
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