Completely Re-Done 2011 Kia Optima.. THoughts..??

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

I see it now, but thats an exclusive, limited time thing... not common.

Lol whatever you wanna think dude.. Not uncommon at all.. There were 100 US dealerships doing this , Mine has been doing it since May 1, 2010.....

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

Fuck dude, you lost your ava too I see...man this place is going down the fucking toilet.

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

Fuck dude, you lost your ava too I see...man this place is going down the fucking toilet.

Yea I had a friendly pm with an admin about that bs. I was told to be mad at google , not the admin. I've had that Ava since I registered on here.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

"American made" Kia's and Toyota's are a scam. They make the parts over seas, import the parts, and only the final assembly stage is done in the US. This does 2 things. One, it avoids the larger import tariffs placed on fully assembled cars. And two, it allows them to claim 'made in America' when the reality is the final assembly stage is a very small portion of the over all manufacturing costs/process/jobs, but unwitting Americans are so ready to buy into the idea that their Toyota purchase supports the US economy that they dont bother finding out the real story behind the claim. This is especially true when you consider that more and more of the assembly process is automated.

Im not getting into the whole debate over how much this helps or hurts the economy, but if we are going to discuss the 'made in America' status, these facts should be mentioned.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

I just took a look at the new Taurus. It is a nice looking vehicle...

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

like I said , this isnt a thread for ranting about the economy.. All I said , in a nutshell was this...

If the USA expects us ( me ) middle class americans to fork out 30-45K for a GOOD QUALITY American car in this economy, I will buy foreign.. It makes complete sense why I would, and I already explained the reasons why

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

I just took a look at the new Taurus. It is a nice looking vehicle...

i already agreed it was.. But not for the price.. The interior on the $22,000 Optima looks just as nice.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

i already agreed it was.. But not for the price.. The interior on the $22,000 Optima looks just as nice.

I wasn't telling you to rush out and buy one, man. I was just saying it's a decent looking car.

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

I wasn't telling you to rush out and buy one, man. I was just saying it's a decent looking car.

Which one? I think the new Taurus looks great,as well as the new Malibu. And if my budget was 15k more, I would love one

 

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

"American made" Kia's and Toyota's are a scam. They make the parts over seas, import the parts, and only the final assembly stage is done in the US. This does 2 things. One, it avoids the larger import tariffs placed on fully assembled cars. And two, it allows them to claim 'made in America' when the reality is the final assembly stage is a very small portion of the over all manufacturing costs/process/jobs, but unwitting Americans are so ready to buy into the idea that their Toyota purchase supports the US economy that they dont bother finding out the real story behind the claim. This is especially true when you consider that more and more of the assembly process is automated.
Im not getting into the whole debate over how much this helps or hurts the economy, but if we are going to discuss the 'made in America' status, these facts should be mentioned.

And American cars are made in Mexico. Endless debate here, and it's just going to turn this thread to ****

 

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

I just took a look at the new Taurus. It is a nice looking vehicle...

Funny thing is that was developed by Ford Europe, not an American design.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

And American cars are made in Mexico.

And Canada. The United States doesn't manufacture much anymore.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

Funny thing is that was developed by Ford Europe, not an American design.

The SHO needs a V8. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

A little off topic. But is this worth 11k? I'm on my phone and it's a pita to check when I'm not on 3G

I offered 11 and she said yes. Loaded heated leather, moonroof, 6disc changer 3.9 v6, remote start power seats etc.

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