Clipping?

[globalminds_ent 10+ year member]

look man besides that bs with that guy distortion is clipping but besides that j don't have to worry about it unless your sending your amp into the red if your not sending your amp into the red then your fine but bass boost is voltage to so don't go crazy with the bass boost because that can send your amp into the red too some amps have a clip meter but a lot don't and its gonna be hard to hear clipping in the low end

 

[ahole-ic]

look man besides that bs with that guy distortion is clipping but besides that j don't have to worry about it unless your sending your amp into the red if your not sending your amp into the red then your fine but bass boost is voltage to so don't go crazy with the bass boost because that can send your amp into the red too some amps have a clip meter but a lot don't and its gonna be hard to hear clipping in the low end

Your sentences are just like your mom. Always fucked, run on and never have periods.

 

[thevolunator 10+ year member]

Overview of clipping

When an amplifier is pushed to create a signal with more power than its power supply can produce, it will amplify the signal only up to its maximum capacity, at which point the signal can be amplified no further. As the signal simply "cuts" or "clips" at the maximum capacity of the amplifier, the signal is said to be "clipping". The extra signal which is beyond the capability of the amplifier is simply cut off, resulting in a sine wave becoming a distorted square-wave-type waveform.

 

[thevolunator 10+ year member]

look man besides that bs with that guy distortion is clipping but besides that j don't have to worry about it unless your sending your amp into the red if your not sending your amp into the red then your fine but bass boost is voltage to so don't go crazy with the bass boost because that can send your amp into the red too some amps have a clip meter but a lot don't and its gonna be hard to hear clipping in the low end

You CAN have clipping with "sending your amp into the red"...You can have(and most likely do)clipping if you're using MP3 files(Flac or Lossless music files are the best) You can have clipping from your HU even if you have your not pushing your amp.(because of Voltage limitations) Same thing with an amp...

So I have to agree that "clipping IS distortion...But not ALL distortion is clipping".

 

[globalminds_ent 10+ year member]

I have an ego because some of car audio guys think u can ump into my studio world when u can't all car audio is is playback that's it has nothing to do with actually making the music now my sentences are run on be that as it may but u didn't say what I said was wrong because it wasn't I told u how distortion was clipping uve said nothing but I'm wrong and haven't said how distortion is an effect where u use a brick wall compressor or limiter and bring the threshold down and squashing the dynamic range to make the sound louder if u pull the threshold Down far enough u will clip the signal this effect is distortion/overdrive now the reason why distortion is clipping is because the actual signal is being clipped when u hear distortion doesn't mean that the actual sound is In the red because when a song is mastered the threshold is pulled down to .3 or .4 to make sure the mix does not clip and u can also make it a little louder so when u turn your amp up to high or your headunit to high what was signal turns into fully clipped square waves when it goes over that .3/.4 threshold set by the mastering limiter so even though its not in red u hear it clipping because .3/.4 is now what was digital zero when u add bass that adds voltage too but it depends on how loud your playing your system before that turns into clipping or not I've had teachers actually teaching me this but if u wanna believe this guy looking stuff up online go for it

 

[globalminds_ent 10+ year member]

Overview of clipping
When an amplifier is pushed to create a signal with more power than its power supply can produce, it will amplify the signal only up to its maximum capacity, at which point the signal can be amplified no further. As the signal simply "cuts" or "clips" at the maximum capacity of the amplifier, the signal is said to be "clipping". The extra signal which is beyond the capability of the amplifier is simply cut off, resulting in a sine wave becoming a distorted square-wave-type waveform.

finally someone with some since -

 

[thevolunator 10+ year member]

I have an ego because some of car audio guys think u can ump into my studio world when u can't all car audio is is playback that's it has nothing to do with actually making the music now my sentences are run on be that as it may but u didn't say what I said was wrong because it wasn't I told u how distortion was clipping uve said nothing but I'm wrong and haven't said how distortion is an effect where u use a brick wall compressor or limiter and bring the threshold down and squashing the dynamic range to make the sound louder if u pull the threshold Down far enough u will clip the signal this effect is distortion/overdrive now the reason why distortion is clipping is because the actual signal is being clipped when u hear distortion doesn't mean that the actual sound is In the red because when a song is mastered the threshold is pulled down to .3 or .4 to make sure the mix does not clip and u can also make it a little louder so when u turn your amp up to high or your headunit to high what was signal turns into fully clipped square waves when it goes over that .3/.4 threshold set by the mastering limiter so even though its not in red u hear it clipping because .3/.4 is now what was digital zero when u add bass that adds voltage too but it depends on how loud your playing your system before that turns into clipping or not I've had teachers actually teaching me this but if u wanna believe this guy looking stuff up online go for it

Dude, you're talking about apples and orange's...Producing "clipping/distortion" for the purpose of the recording, is TOTALLY different than the distortion that the OP was asking about. Yes, you are right in what you are saying. But you're talking about clipping/distortion DURING THE RECORDING PROCESS....we're talking about clipping during PLAYBACK.

 

[ahole-ic]

finally someone with some since -

You quoted where he proved you wrong you dumbass. I will explain it... but you still won't understand it. Distortion is any modification from the original source. It can manifest itself in many ways. This could be a wave that is slightly deformed or any number of things. Clipping is a very specific type of distortion. It happens when the amplitude is pushed beyond it's limits. The wave becomes flat where it should have remained nice and smooth thus the term "clipped" because it looks as though the top were clipped off. If you had the sense to google search it, you would have found a myriad of links depicting different types of distortion. So indeed clipping is distortion, but distortion is not necessarily clipping.

Audio Amplifiers There is a good read and it, like the above post proves you horribly horribly wrong. Now, go make a terrible rap song about how you were wronged, and you are a victim, and how you are going to get revenge on me, etc etc and continue living your life with the profound ignorance that you are so determined to live with.

Once you're tired of failing, learn that you are not always right. Sometimes other people know better than you, and that not being ignorant is the first step towards a successful future. Most of all, close your huge floppy mouth long enough to see if the other person might know better than you. You've made yourself look foolish time and time again tonight and you haven't realized it yet..... realize it right now.

 

[thevolunator 10+ year member]

Clipping during playback is caused by either the limitations/quality in your HU your AMP your SPEAKERS or your music file itself.(CD, MP3 etc..)

 

[ahole-ic]

Dude, you're talking about apples and orange's...Producing "clipping/distortion" for the purpose of the recording, is TOTALLY different than the distortion that the OP was asking about. Yes, you are right in what you are saying. But you're talking about clipping/distortion DURING THE RECORDING PROCESS....we're talking about clipping during PLAYBACK.

Well, he's still not right. All of those filters he can apply are distortion. For instance auto-tune (the t-pain voice) is distorting the original voice to make a different sound. In reality t-pain can't sing for jack... but it sounds good with that filter on there. THAT is distortion, although once it's laid down on the track purposefully, we accept that as the true recording because it was intended.

 

[thevolunator 10+ year member]

Well, he's still not right. All of those filters he can apply are distortion. For instance auto-tune (the t-pain voice) is distorting the original voice to make a different sound. In reality t-pain can't sing for jack... but it sounds good with that filter on there. THAT is distortion, although once it's laid down on the track purposefully, we accept that as the true recording because it was intended.

I think, you and I are saying the same thing...He's referring to the type of distortion that you mentioned ^here^. What, you and I (and the OP) are talking is how to "hear" (and know the cause of) clipping during playback. Totally separate things.

 

[globalminds_ent 10+ year member]

no I was relating to playback mastering is for playback this what I'm saying there is more than one sound In a mix just because the entire mix is not clipping mean one sound might not be and when u hear that its distortion could be a hit hat could be a vocal and or harmonics that's why I said as long as your not sending the whole signal through in the red your okay ........I'm talking clipping as it relates to distortion distortion is as always there when u hear an electric guitar with a distortion pedal and your like man that guitar sounds amazing even though the actual sound is not clipping the pedal is but just sending the sound back out at the same level.......I'm explaining how distortion is clipping

distortion is clipping because clipping is how distortion is made u understand? Clipping is how u get that distortion sound not matter what it is.........this unrelated but u keep say distortion is not clipping and I'm tellin u how it is and how its created and your right when voltage is too low and a amp tries to amplify a signal that's not there just like u said so even when u set your gains right and u turn your head unit up too high since there is not an unlimited amount of gain on a file it will eventually turn into just noise oh yeah playing a mp3 vs a cd is no different fyi a song is mixed at 24 bit 44.1khz or 48khz that's 20000hz over what hums can hear when a wave is turned into a mp3 file the extra 20khz is cut off plus everything under 10hz and also is shrunk down to 16 bit if u look at that model u just put up 24 bit would be like 24 boxes representing each compression and rarefaction as it changes from analog to digital.. Making it 16 bit just makes the file smaller by representing less of the sound wave so u might loose a little high end but it doesn't make the signal clip any faster

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[globalminds_ent 10+ year member]

Well, he's still not right. All of those filters he can apply are distortion. For instance auto-tune (the t-pain voice) is distorting the original voice to make a different sound. In reality t-pain can't sing for jack... but it sounds good with that filter on there. THAT is distortion, although once it's laid down on the track purposefully, we accept that as the true recording because it was intended.

not distortion sorry its quantization error

 

[thevolunator 10+ year member]

no I was relating to playback mastering is for playback this what I'm saying there is more than one sound In a mix just because the entire mix is not clipping mean one sound might not be and when u hear that its distortion could be a hit hat could be a vocal and or harmonics that's why I said as long as your not sending the whole signal through in the red your okay ........I'm talking clipping as it relates to distortion distortion is as always there when u hear an electric guitar with a distortion pedal and your like man that guitar sounds amazing even though the actual sound is not clipping the pedal is but just sending the sound back out at the same level.......I'm explaining how distortion is clippingdistortion is clipping because clipping is how distortion is made u understand? Clipping is how u get that distortion sound not matter what it is.........this unrelated but u keep say distortion is not clipping and I'm tellin u how it is and how its created and your right when voltage is too low and a amp tries to amplify a signal that's not there just like u said so even when u set your gains right and u turn your head unit up too high since there is not an unlimited amount of gain on a file it will eventually turn into just noise oh yeah playing a mp3 vs a cd is no different fyi a song is mixed at 24 bit 44.1khz or 48khz that's 20000hz over what hums can hear when a wave is turned into a mp3 file the extra 20khz is cut off plus everything under 10hz and also is shrunk down to 16 bit if u look at that model u just put up 24 bit would be like 24 boxes representing each compression and rarefaction as it changes from analog to digital.. Making it 16 bit just makes the file smaller by representing less of the sound wave so u might loose a little high end but it doesn't make the signal clip any faster

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This is a VISUAL image of clipping...

It has very little to do with the "sample rate" that you're talking about in this^^ post...It has to do with FILE SIZE!

Most mp3's are 128kbps w/ a file size of 3mb....while I've seen flac files (uncompressed) that are over 1500kbps w/ a 40mb file size. Which one do you think is going to clip first?

 

[thevolunator 10+ year member]

Here is another visual comparison of MP3 vs flac...

MP3

FLAC

My point with this is...It doesn't matter if you have your amp levels tuned perfect and have $3000 comps with the best HU money can buy.

If you're playing a crappy music file...You WILL have clipping!

Now, the same could be said about your equipment...You can have the best quality music file. But, if your equipment can't reproduce that information back, you will have clipping.