Changing my entire front stage.

[PapaGeno21 10+ year member]

OK so I currently have the following, which is getting completely demolished by my sub stage. Not looking for a RIDICULOUS setup, but something with more mid bass than I have and something a little louder.

MB Quart ONYX4.80

RE 6.5C front components

Kicker DS60 Rear components. I drilled a hole and mounted the tweeter into the door. I plan to not have rear components, so I will just leave those in place and not hook them up.

When I remove this stuff, I am deadening the doors.

Here is the list I have come down too. Can anyone tell me if I should alter this before ordering?

CDT HD-61A front components

CDT HD-6 Rear mid bass driver

Now as far as the amp, I am totally torn. I am going to run that stuff on the MB until I either pick up a DC 175.4 or an American Bass 350.4 at a good deal, OR go new with something a bit cheaper.

Lanzar Opti 250x4 has my eye...?

I could also keep the rear speakers on the MB, and get a real nice 2 channel to just power the fronts, instead of getting a real powerful amp and basically wasting the rear channel only running around 90 watts to the rear doors.

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[trumpet 5,000+ posts]

1 pair of 6.5" components and some mids in the back are not going to match the output of subwoofers. This is partly why the big SPL vehicles all go to several pairs of mids and several pairs of tweeters. You might notice an increase in output by going to those CDT speakers, but not likely if you keep the same amount of power and don't do treatments to block outside noise. You did mention sound deadening, but in some cases people have reported that makes their speakers sound quieter. It can seem quieter because you don't have sympathetic resonances of interior panels adding to the music.

If you're having the output imbalance while parked, then blocking road noise won't help. Again, we're back to more drivers and more power. I can get you amps that are more powerful, and I can get you CDT speakers. I can't promise this change in equipment will do enough, but it will be a start.

 

[PapaGeno21 10+ year member]

I know I am not going to match my subs, and I don't care about that when running full tilt. I just want basically a better front stage.

Would you even run anything in the rear doors?

 

[PapaGeno21 10+ year member]

How would this be. Instead of buying a premade set, I could piece together a set.

EX-550i Crossover

DRT25 Tweeters

ES-06 Mid woofer

And for rear fill they have some EU-6's. They will be good for the back.

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

Just swap your speakers out, you don't need people hear to hold your hand the whole way through.. Do you?

You did. Now enough post dumping and let's help the guy out.

 

[PapaGeno21 10+ year member]

Just swap your speakers out, you don't need people hear to hold your hand the whole way through.. Do you?

People "here" you fucking idiot.

I am asking for opinions from people who have forgotten more than you have ever known.

I do believe you and your limited intelligence have no business being in this thread.

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

OP, the CDTs wouldn't be a bad option at all, though I've never been a fan of how they rate their drivers. If you're looking for something to keep up with the sub stage, why not IA? GOCCA's got a pretty decent deal on the IA comps and they should MORE than keep up at rated power.

 

[PapaGeno21 10+ year member]

What do you not like about how they rate their speakers power?

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

What do you not like about how they rate their speakers power?

Take the HD62s for example. They're rated for 180W, but at 120Hz HPF? Who actually runs comps set that high without a dedicated midbass driver...just seems like they're not being very realistic with their power ratings and claiming they can do way more than they can. I've heard good word of mouth on them, so consider it a window shopper's rant, but I think you could do better than CDT and save some dough. As sick as your sub stage is already, it's gonna be REALLY hard to outshine it. Best be trying to find something that will, at the very least, keep up.

 

[gckless 5,000+ posts]

OP, the CDTs wouldn't be a bad option at all, though I've never been a fan of how they rate their drivers. If you're looking for something to keep up with the sub stage, why not IA? GOCCA's got a pretty decent deal on the IA comps and they should MORE than keep up at rated power.

You'd rather have the IA's over the ES-06's? Those are some mighty fine woofers.

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

You'd rather have the IA's over the ES-06's? Those are some mighty fine woofers.

Oh I don't doubt it, but I've always been a fan of doing a good job with less. You're talking about a guy with a pair of Level 4 15s in the back of his Outback. He's really not going to see the "finer points" that the ES mids provide. If it were a SQ car, different story.

 

[PapaGeno21 10+ year member]

Oh I don't doubt it, but I've always been a fan of doing a good job with less. You're talking about a guy with a pair of Level 4 15s in the back of his Outback. He's really not going to see the "finer points" that the ES mids provide. If it were a SQ car, different story.

Are you trying to tell me these Level 4's of Justice are not the best SQ woofers ever designed by mankind?

 

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lol

 

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Would you go with say the HD-6 instead of the ES-06?

 

[whitedragon551 5,000+ posts]

Are you trying to tell me these Level 4's of Justice are not the best SQ woofers ever designed by mankind? 

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lol

 

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Would you go with say the HD-6 instead of the ES-06?

Level 4's in the right box sound amazing. I ran one in 4.0 net cubes tuned at 32Hz on an under rated 1200@1 and it matched or exceeded my pair of Image Dynamics subs that I ran. They can definitely sound great in the right enclosure.

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

Are you trying to tell me these Level 4's of Justice are not the best SQ woofers ever designed by mankind? 

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lol

 

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Would you go with say the HD-6 instead of the ES-06?

Of course I wouldn't say that lol! But as far as piecing out a system with individual drivers, I would consider Dayton before CDT on the cost side of things. Obviously, that requires having active-capable crossovers which you could get if you upgraded the amp to something like the PPI Black Ice/Phantom lines or something similar. If you can only do passive, though, I'd say the HDs would suit you fine. No sense in the extra coin for the ES if you're not really going to be able to enjoy it.

 

[PapaGeno21 10+ year member]

I still don't see why I wouldn't be able to enjoy it though?

What is causing me to not hear the difference at normal listening levels where the subs are not killing the front stage?

Level 4's in the right box sound amazing. I ran one in 4.0 net cubes tuned at 32Hz on an under rated 1200@1 and it matched or exceeded my pair of Image Dynamics subs that I ran. They can definitely sound great in the right enclosure.

Dude, I love these things. I was just making a joke. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif