box design for 12" mach 5 ixl

[DNick454 10+ year member]

Go get something from the RE lineup. RE SX 12" would be nice, same 1000W rms rating and the SX was designed for ported enclosures only. Ontop of that, RE subs just look plain sexy in flat black with that white RE logo //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

RE recomends 1.5-2 cubic feet for a 12" SX, so that would drop right into your box like a charm

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

im actually very dissapointed in my sub right now puggsley, its to a point where i wish i hadnt boughten it and sold my R

Your sub doesn't like you because you have bad grammar.

 

[Puggsley456 10+ year member]

im actually very dissapointed in my sub right now puggsley, its to a point where i wish i hadnt boughten it and sold my R

Elaborate please.

 

[kyleorsini 10+ year member]

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send me a sx my way and ill put er in my box //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[DNick454 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gifsend me a sx my way and ill put er in my box //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Lol, if I had the cash laying around for an RE SX, it'd be in my car right now instead of these two 10" kicker comps. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[kyleorsini 10+ year member]

true true but hey ur doing dam well with those little kickers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[DNick454 10+ year member]

Hehe, I need to find someone around here with TL so I can meter it. It would be nothing impressive, but I'm sure it'd be pretty funny to see what these things can do. I was really surprised at how loud they got for being such a cheap sub with little RMS power. Not much cone area workin there either.

 

[406er 10+ year member]

Check the sticky on top marked Box Plans.
Find one that's like 2 to 2.5cu and maybe 35 to 38hz.

They're free, can't go wrong

LOL, wouldnt ya know that the shop who sold em the sub, has a 2.25 net at 38Hz box ready to go, in fact the box was in his trunk for him to "test drive" the sub befor he bought.

kyle i can tell ya the box it tuned way to low, and is to small. also how did the type R sound after we set up your amp, how did it compair to the IXL in our box?? what was the tuning of the type R box you built. we need to make sure your compairing apples to apples here. the IXL is a great sub and in the "right" box can walk all over a type R. the other thing kyle, what are you expecting with the power you have.

 

[hamiltonaudio 10+ year member]

Hey Kyle - here's a couple of factors that play into your somewhat disappointment:

1. power - the amp you have is near gutless.

2. crossovers - your deck does NOT have a defeatable low pass and neither does your amp - so you're crossing over a crossover. NOT good.

3. box - the box you had initially was completely wrong. Too small and tuned far too low. It also leaked and the subwoofer wasn't mounted correctly causing a rattle.

As per discussion via email - you're overgaining (and overdriving) the sub to get "more" out of it causing massive clipping and the popping you're hearing - all due to a lack of real power. A couple of suggestions will wake the subwoofer up BIGTIME:

1. correct box - I happen to have one in my showroom as per Jay's photo above

2. correct settings - swapping out your signal from the permanently crossed over sw output to say even the rear channels will help - then you can rely on just the filter on the amp.

3. time - that sub will wake up as puggsley said after 10-12 hours of use

Your amplifier is the final issue in the chain - there's a reason you paid so little for it. Based on what I've heard in your car its lucky to make 600 wrms. We've have TREMEMDOUS success with this driver in other applications - which tells us you've got some issues to work out before you condemn the driver //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif An offer I'll make you that you can take up on anytime - Jay has a box for a single 12 in his truck right now that is near perfect for that IXL - he happens to have serious US Amps power to work with. I'm willing to swap in YOUR IXL into his box and have a listen. You'll have eliminated the issues of wrong box, poor power and multiple filters. I GUARANTEE you'll agree its twice the driver your Type R was and will work on the things I've suggested above //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

bmoney

 

[72 chevy van 10+ year member]

it's all in the box.

 

[hamiltonaudio 10+ year member]

in this case I'm inclined to agree for the most part - but there are a small handful of other issues that are affecting performance as well.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

I'm surrounded by canadians.

 

[DNick454 10+ year member]

No reason the box should be too small. In fact, that is what was recommended by Mach 5 Audio for the 12" IXL driver. I re-checked everything on two different box calc's and it is 1.89 cubic feet tuned 32.6 Hz. Once the woofer is installed, net volume should be right at 1.8 cubes at 33 Hz.

Personally, if not recommended otherwise by Mach5, I would've gone for 2 cubes at like 35Hz, but I would assume Mach 5 knows what they're talking about /sigh

EDIT: Good thing is, you're canadian, I bet wood is dirt cheap by you eh? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[hamiltonaudio 10+ year member]

hahahahah yeah I guess wood isn't so bad around here //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Ironically the owner and mastermind behind Mach 5 lives right down the street from my shop - so I have the inside track //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Our box designs come from flat out test-mule-box testing. For the audiophile type anything 1.8 to 2.0 cubes net at 33ish would be perfect. Nice speed, great extension. However, our testing and TermLab results tell us that a little larger and tuned a little higher is far more effective (and desireable) for our younger customers. They like the improved output (in many cases vastly improved) and upper end punch, right where the majority of their rap, hip hop and top 40 music plays the most.

If I told you what we were doing with 12 x Mach5 SPL12's you'd swear up and down that it'll never work - let alone make any pressure. The TermLab will prove different //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif And funniest of all is that Mach 5's owner is as excited for us to do it as anyone. Mark and Sean - shhhhhhh ......

bmoney

 

[kyleorsini 10+ year member]

brian i cant wait to see that project when its done. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I fail to see how it's tuned too low as well...I have my IXL 10's tuned to 28hz, and love them. I guess some people just prefer peaky bass in the 40-50hz area.

 

[406er 10+ year member]

I fail to see how it's tuned too low as well...I have my IXL 10's tuned to 28hz, and love them. I guess some people just prefer peaky bass in the 40-50hz area.

its tuned to low for his intentions. im pretty sure our man kyle here isnt looking for the kansas flat response, but something more along the lines of a peak of around 40-42 for loud bass reproduction of hip hop and rap songs. add a decent front end, but not amplified we also now need to have a sligtly wider response as well to fill the gap in the front end.

once our local dB drag is over, and i removed my SPL 12, i intend to run a pair of IXL 12s in a mid to low 30s box. but ill have a HIGH powerd front end with two pairs of Macrom M2s to get down into the mid 60s, ill let the IXLs take it from down there. and this will be a a demo vehical for our shop!

 

[hamiltonaudio 10+ year member]

I fail to see how it's tuned too low as well...I have my IXL 10's tuned to 28hz, and love them. I guess some people just prefer peaky bass in the 40-50hz area.

not everyone has the same musical tastes as you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif The sub SOUNDS excellent - no doubt - I do believe his "disappointment" is with sheer output. Lower tuning, smaller volume and shitty power all hurt that don't they?

Unless Kyle himself says otherwise, thats what I'm goin with //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

bmoney

 

[kyleorsini 10+ year member]

The power is defenatly the prob. And its gonna take a couple boxes to acheive what I'm looking for u don't get a perfect box the first time around

 

[Lakota 5,000+ posts]

You positioned the sub in the wrong spot //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Keep the sub as far away from the port opening as you can.