Behringer A500 2x230rms amp and boston G512

[bamaboy 5,000+ posts]

why dont you see the a500 doing it?

ive been looking a little at the ep1500 too, can find it decent prices someplaces

there isnt a plate amp that does enought power at 8ohms with out costing 400$

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

QSC RMX2450 gut pics;

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/QSC_RMX2450-1.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/QSC_RMX2450-2.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/QSC_RMX2450-3.jpg

Behringer EP2500 is a clone of QSC RMX2450 and here is EP2500 gut pics;

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Behringer_EP2500-1.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Behringer_EP2500-2.jpg

What makes the EP2500 have worse build quality than the RMX ?

A500 guts;

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Behringer_A500-1.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Behringer_A500-2.jpg

What do you see here that has low build quality ?

Here's a Samson amp guts;

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Samson_S1500.jpg

Here's Crown XLS402 ver. A amplifer guts;

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Crown_XLS-402A.jpg

Explain why this Crown build quality is so superior when in fact it lacks

real heatsinking?

Here's the newer revision D XLS402, better build quality but sort of a lamer design.

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Crown_XLS-402D.jpg

Here's EP1500 vs RMX1450 guts;

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/Behringer_EP1500-1.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/QSC_RMX1450-1.jpg

Here's what I see. The EP series has smaller printed circuit boards which is

fine as you can reduce PCB costs. I also seen EP schematics, it's a clone of

RMX but they use different opamps than RMX. The opamps they use are fine,

no issues.

Heres's RMX4050HD guts;

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/proamps/QSC_RMX4050.jpg

These amps cost $1300 - $1500 new. They use dual transformers, one per

channel, each has a 15A breaker, but the incoming AC line is limited to a

20A circuit, the specs say it will draw up to 26A {non sine wave testsing}

which implies you need a 30A circuit and the amp and the amp has that

lame IEC power connector on the back. lol... In other words, I'd be modding

this amp just to get full potential. lol

http://www.qscaudio.com/images/hi_res/product_shot/rmx4050_bk.jpg

Bottom line, Crown and QSC also have issues, not just Behringer.

 

[bamaboy 5,000+ posts]

thanks thy

im about to just pick up the ep1500

it would be cool to be able to test subs in the house

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

This dayton is just their top plate amp put in a stackable/rackable chassis right? Specs seem to suggest so. Price seems a bit high, but I'd be curious about its actual output. The plate version moved my 8x 15s rather well.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=300-810

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

Maybe Thy has X-Ray vision or something, but I can't tell the build quality of electrical components by looking at them... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Also, just for the record, the RMX series and XLS series are not the best examples of QSC and Crown...

Go with the Brokeinger since you don't have the funds for the others. That seems to be what you really want anyway...

 

[ballstothewall 10+ year member]

What makes the EP2500 have worse build quality than the RMX ?

Every behringer piece of quipment I've owned the actual casing and related hardware was cheap and sub par.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

Every behringer piece of quipment I've owned the actual casing and related hardware was cheap and sub par.

Indeed... I just love their 'studio' quality pre-amps...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

 

[1loudsuv 10+ year member]

Every behringer piece of quipment I've owned the actual casing and related hardware was cheap and sub par.

doesnt get more scientific then that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[ballstothewall 10+ year member]

Indeed... I just love their 'studio' quality pre-amps...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

The T1953 pre-amp has a hell of alot of static in it.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Maybe Thy has X-Ray vision or something, but I can't tell the build quality of electrical components by looking at them... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Go with the Brokeinger since you don't have the funds for the others. That seems to be what you really want anyway...

You don't need X-ray vision. If you have electronics experience, these

issues are easily spotted. Here's the information that I have regarding EP series.

1. It's an RMX clone.

2. EP1500 schematic shows 4580 opamps where RMX uses the ancient 5532,

either one can do the job well.

3. Both have common resistors and capacitors.

4. EP2500 is used alot in the DIY audio world with no issues vs. RMX.

5. QSC will probably have better customer service if a problem arises.

6. RMX is made offshore and a credible source said their RMX line has a higher

reliability than the USA made product -which implies that offshore manufacturering today is pretty good in the general sense.

7. I know one guy on AVS who is buying eight EP2500 for $250 each to

power eight RF woofers for an HT install. Nice bang for buck.

Also, just for the record, the RMX series and XLS series are not the best examples of QSC and Crown...

Apples to apples comparison.

If you want to judge EP series then the RMX is the perfect choices as EP is a RMX clone. Both are 'entry level' proamps.

XLS is a good comparison because it's Crown's entry level proamp.

 

[1loudsuv 10+ year member]

yah the op poster never asked for a high end amp, even I didnt want a high end amp for my sub and the behringher is doing a dam fine job at pushing my 15 right now and for about $700 I am getting performance compared to about $4000 worth of, off the shelf subs. not saying that a better amp wont have more power or reliability but for the money its a good amp.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Every behringer piece of quipment I've owned the actual casing and related hardware was cheap and sub par.

You are not paying premium for robust hardware. People using select

Behringer products for home use won't have any hardware related problems

unless you have a habit of dropping your equipment on the floor and it breaks.

Perhaps for pro sound use where you may physically abuse the products,

a more robust design is nicer.

People have compared Behringer DCX2496 to the $500 DBX equivalent and

there is no solid conclusion that one is better over the other. Some people

actually preferred the DCX.

For home use, you can gamble on the $270 DCX or spend $500 on the DBX,

most people are willing to save the $230 because it's not a 'show stopping'

situation.

On the other hand, if you invested in Behringer gear and you are hired as

the sound man, and your Behringer fails in the field, this may be an unsweet

situation for you from a business point of view. It might be better to go with

other brands.

The important issue here is the applicaiton. Home audio is not a show

stopping application where your reputation is at stake. In this case, save

the money.

You can get EP2500 for $350 new or you can buy the $630 RMX2450 new.

You can buy a DCX2496 for $270 or buy the $500 DBX.

etc.

 

[ballstothewall 10+ year member]

There are multiple ways to look at this particular issue, and I don't think any of us are going to change our minds. Behringer is fine for the budget minded home audio enthusist who wants to have flexibility in his system.

Personally, after owning various behringer gear I won't buy any more of it and plan on getting rid of my behringer pre-amp as soon as I have extra money. I will choose amps that are used, but from a higher quality company that aren't their bottom end budget amps. Personally I am biased toward one company in particular, but that is due to my current use of their gear and my conversations with people inside of the company that has lead to my preference.

If a person feels that they need to have new gear and are budget minded, by all means buy behringer. If the person does not need new gear and is willing to look around you can find higher quality items for roughly equivalent price, but they will be used. I do think some of us are forgetting the old adage, "You get what you pay for". This is true with behringer, it is cheaper but at a reduced quality.

I say we just agree to disagree.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

There are multiple ways to look at this particular issue, and I don't think any of us are going to change our minds. Behringer is fine for the budget minded home audio enthusist who wants to have flexibility in his system.
Personally, after owning various behringer gear I won't buy any more of it and plan on getting rid of my behringer pre-amp as soon as I have extra money. I will choose amps that are used, but from a higher quality company that aren't their bottom end budget amps. Personally I am biased toward one company in particular, but that is due to my current use of their gear and my conversations with people inside of the company that has lead to my preference.

If a person feels that they need to have new gear and are budget minded, by all means buy behringer. If the person does not need new gear and is willing to look around you can find higher quality items for roughly equivalent price, but they will be used. I do think some of us are forgetting the old adage, "You get what you pay for". This is true with behringer, it is cheaper but at a reduced quality.

I say we just agree to disagree.

Indeed...

 

[1loudsuv 10+ year member]

If a person feels that they need to have new gear and are budget minded, by all means buy behringer. If the person does not need new gear and is willing to look around you can find higher quality items for roughly equivalent price, but they will be used.

Well if you want to compare used product why not a used behringer? a used one can be had for about $240, fine me a 1950 watt amplifier with less then 1%thd used or new that does close to the power wise (and I dont mean spec wise,proved power)

 

compare apples to apples not apples to oranges...

I do think some of us are forgetting the old adage, "You get what you pay for".

So if I pay more for something it automatically makes it better then the cheaper product? all the time?