Bears vs Steelers

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

You're making the mistake that many people make. Not taking into account that stats are only numbers. A lot of the QB's stats depend on the receivers. Actually watching people play is the only way to tell who's the most accurate. Putting the ball where it needs to be makes you accurate. Completion% pretty much just measures what percentage of a QB's passes were caught, not whether they were accurate or not. Look at Andre Johnson, Randy Moss in his prime, Issac Bruce, Torry Holt, etc. They all make incredible catches. Wide receivers making plays does not mean the QB is accurate. Drew Brees makes some of the most accurate throws ever, and as I said before Peyton Manning is the most accurate QB ever imo. He puts the ball exactly where it needs to be. He is the definition of a Precision Passer.

I've already mentioned intangibles, dude. I know you can't track them with statistics. But, many statistics are important. I honestly don't see how anyone familiar with the game could argue against what I'm saying.

This all started when I said Chad Pennington was the most accurate QB in NFL history and more than one person acted as if I was stupid for saying this (even though it's a proven fact). Completion percentage is the ONLY way to determine a QB's accuracy. Drops happen to every QB in the history of football. No WR is going to catch every single ball that comes his way. Sometimes plays break up, routes don't develop, guy's slip, guys fall down. It happens. But still, completion % measures a QB's accuracy. This is fact...and Chad Pennington's completion % is higher than anyone else. Therefore, Pennington IS the most accurate QB in NFL History. End of discussion...

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

THERE IS NO STATISTICAL WAY TO DETERMINE HOW ACCURATE A QB IS.

Negative. It's easily done. They look at the number of attempts, weigh in how many completions were made and post the figure. It's simple really...

 

[Bob Saget]

According to your theory Jake Delhomme is as accurate a passer as Dan Marino.

I have never seen Jake Delhomme throw the ball downfield & hit a WR in stride. And I saw him play every game for 7 years. There's a reason all of the passes Steve Smith caught from him are on a highlight reel, he had to make crazy plays just to catch the ball.

 

[Bob Saget]

I've already mentioned intangibles, dude. I know you can't track them with statistics. But, many statistics are important. I honestly don't see how anyone familiar with the game could argue against what I'm saying.
This all started when I said Chad Pennington was the most accurate QB in NFL history and more than one person acted as if I was stupid for saying this (even though it's a proven fact). Completion percentage is the ONLY way to determine a QB's accuracy. Drops happen to every QB in the history of football. No WR is going to catch every single ball that comes his way. Sometimes plays break up, routes don't develop, guy's slip, guys fall down. It happens. But still, completion % measures a QB's accuracy. This is fact...and Chad Pennington's completion % is higher than anyone else. Therefore, Pennington IS the most accurate QB in NFL History. End of discussion...

you are an idiot

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

the only thing that determines the outcome of a game is who scores the most points //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

The team that controls time of possession & field position, creates turnovers and puts up yardage, more often than not, will win a football game. It doesn't work that way 100% of the time, but it's fairly common... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Oh, and thank you, Mr. Madden. Where have you been hiding all year?

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

So, time of possesion, ypc and things of that nature have nothing to do with the outcome of a football game? Gotcha.

Previous stats don't mean anything in the playoffs. You're speaking about the stats after a playoff game has been played now. When I was clearly talking about stats prior to the current playoff game. Such as, the Saints stats in the playoffs last season meant nothing in this years playoffs.

 

[Bob Saget]

You have 2 QB's standing at the 20yd line & a WR standing at mid-field. QB A throws the ball spot-on: the receiver doesn't even flinch & it him dead in the chest, yet he fails to catch it & it falls incomplete. QB B throws the ball, the receiver has to run 10yds to the left & dive just to reach the ball, & he makes the remarkable catch.

QB B is the more accurate passer. It is a FACT.

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

I've already mentioned intangibles, dude. I know you can't track them with statistics. But, many statistics are important. I honestly don't see how anyone familiar with the game could argue against what I'm saying.
This all started when I said Chad Pennington was the most accurate QB in NFL history and more than one person acted as if I was stupid for saying this (even though it's a proven fact). Completion percentage is the ONLY way to determine a QB's accuracy. Drops happen to every QB in the history of football. No WR is going to catch every single ball that comes his way. Sometimes plays break up, routes don't develop, guy's slip, guys fall down. It happens. But still, completion % measures a QB's accuracy. This is fact...and Chad Pennington's completion % is higher than anyone else. Therefore, Pennington IS the most accurate QB in NFL History. End of discussion...

Define accuracy.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

you are an idiot

okay, holmes.

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: The most underrated quarterbacks

""""" The 5 Most Underrated Quarterbacks Ever

5. Chad Pennington (2000-present)

Can we give a little love to Herbie the Dentist? Jets fans have certainly never been sold on him. And a spate of injuries hasn’t helped Pennington’s career or his reputation in New York and around the league.

But he boasts the 7th best passer rating in NFL history (88.89) and the No. 5 mark among active players. Believe it or not, Pennington had a better career passer rating than Tom Brady heading into the 2007 season.

Pennington is also the most accurate passer in league history, with a record 65.61 career completion percentage. Hard to believe, considering he puts up so many parabolas that the networks want to hire him as a sideline sound man following his next rotator cuff injury in October.

And the lack of a laser, rocket arm is compounded by the quality of the offensive talent around him, which has never been spectacular.

But proof of Pennington’s proficiency is evidenced by the fortunes of the Jets when he plays and when he doesn’t: Pennington has played in 12 or more games just three times in a season since replacing Vinny Testaverde in 2002. The Jets have made the playoffs all three of those seasons (2002, 2004, 2006). They failed to win even half their games every other season (2003, 2005, 2007).

Head coach Eric Mangini was “Man-Genius” in his rookie season at the helm in 2006. Pennington, not so coincidentally, played every single game for the one and only time in his career that year. Mangini became a duplicitous rat turncoat in 2007 while his team struggled through a 4-12 sophomore campaign – and Pennington started just 8 games.

In other words the Jets are a playoff team when Pennington plays; they’re an also-ran when he doesn’t. He’s a difference-maker at quarterback and one of the most precise parabola-tossers the game has ever seen.

If not for the rash of injuries we might be talking about a player who competes with Brady and Peyton Manning for status as the best quarterback in the league today."""""

Proof, once again, that you're the idiot here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

dbl

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

Define accuracy.

Get real, man. I'm a college graduate. I know what the word "accurate" means. It seems to me that you and bobby lack this knowledge, though...

 

[Bob Saget]

okay, holmes.
Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: The most underrated quarterbacks

""""" The 5 Most Underrated Quarterbacks Ever

5. Chad Pennington (2000-present)

Can we give a little love to Herbie the Dentist? Jets fans have certainly never been sold on him. And a spate of injuries hasn’t helped Pennington’s career or his reputation in New York and around the league.

But he boasts the 7th best passer rating in NFL history (88.89) and the No. 5 mark among active players. Believe it or not, Pennington had a better career passer rating than Tom Brady heading into the 2007 season.

Pennington is also the most accurate passer in league history, with a record 65.61 career completion percentage. Hard to believe, considering he puts up so many parabolas that the networks want to hire him as a sideline sound man following his next rotator cuff injury in October.

And the lack of a laser, rocket arm is compounded by the quality of the offensive talent around him, which has never been spectacular.

But proof of Pennington’s proficiency is evidenced by the fortunes of the Jets when he plays and when he doesn’t: Pennington has played in 12 or more games just three times in a season since replacing Vinny Testaverde in 2002. The Jets have made the playoffs all three of those seasons (2002, 2004, 2006). They failed to win even half their games every other season (2003, 2005, 2007).

Head coach Eric Mangini was “Man-Genius” in his rookie season at the helm in 2006. Pennington, not so coincidentally, played every single game for the one and only time in his career that year. Mangini became a duplicitous rat turncoat in 2007 while his team struggled through a 4-12 sophomore campaign – and Pennington started just 8 games.

In other words the Jets are a playoff team when Pennington plays; they’re an also-ran when he doesn’t. He’s a difference-maker at quarterback and one of the most precise parabola-tossers the game has ever seen.

If not for the rash of injuries we might be talking about a player who competes with Brady and Peyton Manning for status as the best quarterback in the league today."""""

Proof, once again, that you're the idiot here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

You like using that word if, huh? IF Cutler this, IF Pennington that.

 

[Bob Saget]

You have 2 QB's standing at the 20yd line & a WR standing at mid-field. QB A throws the ball spot-on: the receiver doesn't even flinch & it hits him dead in the chest, yet he fails to catch it & it falls incomplete. QB B throws the ball, the receiver has to run 10yds to the left & dive just to reach the ball, & he makes the remarkable catch.

QB B is the more accurate passer. It is a FACT..

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

Get real, man. I'm a college graduate. I know what the word "accurate" means. It seems to me that you and bobby lack this knowledge, though...

I'm very curious to know your definition of accuracy.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

According to your theory Jake Delhomme is as accurate a passer as Dan Marino.
I have never seen Jake Delhomme throw the ball downfield & hit a WR in stride. And I saw him play every game for 7 years. There's a reason all of the passes Steve Smith caught from him are on a highlight reel, he had to make crazy plays just to catch the ball.

Is Delhomme's completion % similiar to Marino's? If so, yeah. And seeing as how you continue to bring WRs (something that's absolutely meaningless in this discussion) into this, I'll point out the fact that Pennington had a ridiculous completion % (the highest in history) while playing within a very mediocre offense.

This discussion has nothing to do with throwing long balls and hitting receivers in stride either. If you care to look, there's a MASSIVE drop off in completions beyond 20 yds. Even the league's elite QBs miss long throws often.