Bears vs Steelers

[Bob Saget]

Statistics are fact, man. I know there are MANY things that can't be meaused in the game of football (heart, toughness, the it factor that makes certain players a winner, etc), but some things can be (completion %, total yds, TDs, YPC, etc).
People who fall back on the hypothetical usually have a problem admitting when they're wrong. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

completion percentage= X amount of passes completed out of X amount of attempts .....nothing more, nothing less.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

Passer Rating


.....His completion % is only .5% higher than Peyton's. Throwing 15-20 check down passes a game does not equal passing accuracy.

QBR measures more than accuracy, holmes. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

It's possible to have a QBR of 100+ while only completing 53% of your passes (Jay Cutler did this just last week). Would you agree that a QBR of 111.3 is pretty good? Would you disagree if I said Jay's 15 completions on 28 attempts isn't very accurate?

 

[Loud3 10+ year member]

Bears v. Jets.

Bears take it.

 

[Bob Saget]

QBR measures more than accuracy, holmes. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
It's possible to have a QBR of 100+ while only completing 53% of your passes (Jay Cutler did this just last week). Would you agree that a QBR of 111.3 is pretty good? Would you disagree if I said Jay's 15 completions on 28 attempts isn't very accurate?

If they were good throws but the WR dropped them, the yes, I would disagree.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

Here, I will agree with you only if you compare those other qb's at the same point in time. So if pennington only racked up 2000 attempts in his career and has the highest comp. % then what was Marino's comp. % after 2000 attempts, what about Mannings? or Brady? Now if you come back with those stats and Pennington still has a better one then yes Ill agree with you he's the most accurate ever. But comparing a Qb who has only thrown less than half of the passes than those other guys and still saying he is the best is hogwash at best.

I don't want to sit here and figure out those numbers. You figure them out and post them up if you're so interested in seeing them. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I never said Pennington was the best either. I said he was the most accurate, and I'm right.

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

How else would you measure a QB's accuracy, bob? I know Pennington isn't a household name, and he never it up scoreboards, but the guy's completion percentage (the statistic that's used universally to measure a QB's accuracy) is the highest EVER.
I never said Pennington was better than Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but he is more accurate than all of them (according to the statistic that measures accuracy). Argue against me all night long if that's what you want to do, but the stats favor my side of the argument.

You're making the mistake that many people make. Not taking into account that stats are only numbers. A lot of the QB's stats depend on the receivers. Actually watching people play is the only way to tell who's the most accurate. Putting the ball where it needs to be makes you accurate. Completion% pretty much just measures what percentage of a QB's passes were caught, not whether they were accurate or not. Look at Andre Johnson, Randy Moss in his prime, Issac Bruce, Torry Holt, etc. They all make incredible catches. Wide receivers making plays does not mean the QB is accurate. Drew Brees makes some of the most accurate throws ever, and as I said before Peyton Manning is the most accurate QB ever imo. He puts the ball exactly where it needs to be. He is the definition of a Precision Passer.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

completion percentage= X amount of passes completed out of X amount of attempts .....nothing more, nothing less.

This is ridiculous.

Listen, completing X amount of passes out of X amount of attempts IS THE ONLY WAY TO DETERMINE A QB'S ACCURACY! How else would you determine a QB's accuracy, bob? Please, please, please explain...

 

[Bob Saget]

I personally met the most accurate QB of all-time a few years ago & he sure as fuck wasn't Chad Pennington. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

fixed.

ummm no, I had it right buddy. Stats in general don't mean anything in the playoffs.

 

[Bob Saget]

This is ridiculous.
Listen, completing X amount of passes out of X amount of attempts IS THE ONLY WAY TO DETERMINE A QB'S ACCURACY! How else would you determine a QB's accuracy, bob? Please, please, please explain...

I finally agree with you.

Here's the answer: YOU CAN'T. There is no way to statistically determine how accurate a QB is.

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

This is ridiculous.
Listen, completing X amount of passes out of X amount of attempts IS THE ONLY WAY TO DETERMINE A QB'S ACCURACY! How else would you determine a QB's accuracy, bob? Please, please, please explain...

By watching them play and looking at the passes they actually make //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif. Making a bunch of 2 yard passes and practically tossing the ball to the RB doesn't mean you're accurate. You have to be able to make any pass.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

If they were good throws but the WR dropped them, the yes, I would disagree.

blah, blah, blah.

If a QB, who only completed 53% of his passes in a given game, was still able to have a QBR of 111.3 in that game, that proves beyond a doubt that QBR DOES NOT determine accuracy.

 

[misfit138 5,000+ posts]

ummm no, I had it right buddy. Stats in general don't mean anything in the playoffs.

So, time of possesion, ypc and things of that nature have nothing to do with the outcome of a football game? Gotcha.

 

[Bob Saget]

blah, blah, blah.
If a QB, who only completed 53% of his passes in a given game, was still able to have a QBR of 111.3 in that game, that proves beyond a doubt that QBR DOES NOT determine accuracy.

THERE IS NO STATISTICAL WAY TO DETERMINE HOW ACCURATE A QB IS.

Do you even know what the definition of accuracy is?

 

[Bob Saget]

So, time of possesion, ypc and things of that nature have nothing to do with the outcome of a football game? Gotcha.

the only thing that determines the outcome of a game is who scores the most points //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif