::ATTN:: LOUD speaker guys... Pimpedout97x, PlateStacker, ETC...

[OoMesKoO 10+ year member]

Dont flame me for this fellas, but You guys seem to have the answers to the questions i am looking for. After the "Winter Haven FL dB drag pics" thread, i am interested in doing a loud Mids/Highs combonation. Although ill take the knowledge ive got over my time, as well as some output from others on here as well to make them sound good. Im looking for some brand names, model numbers, and pricetags of some of the loudspeakers used in many of these cars I see. Starting from the cheapest way out. This will mostly be front staged in my Tahoe, but it will include some rear fill as well. I plan to fit 4 6" or 8" drivers into the front of the vehicle. What are my options though, as I am totally Oblivious to any of this. ANYONE else that has ideas as well, please help me out!

Thanks guys!

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[SlainNothing 10+ year member]

to start off there are many brand names.. emiencem selium, beyma, b&c, dayton etc... partsexpress.com

they will get loud but sound shitty.. because these Pro Audio speakers need big custom box's to sound great and get loud.. but your in a car...

find some decent mid-range some horns or super tweets and some bass.... figure out your x-overs. active will probably be best. it'll get loud lack midbass horribly which you probably wont notice because of the setup you want.

ghetto loud, people like it, some hate it, its your choice.

if you really want to do it right.. (approximately - many can argue based on speakers)

subs 20-60 hz

midbass 60-300hz

midrange 300-5khz

horns 5khz -20khz

with correct equalization its the best loudest sound.

 

[JohnBlayz142 10+ year member]

Get a couple pairs of the DD midranges and some horn tweets. Enjoy the craptastic results.

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

lol @ people using Pro audio...

Adding a shit ton of speakers isnt the only way to get loud midrange. Also it throws staging off.

Get some strong drivers, run active and throw 300-500 watts per side. (total) and that would keep up with just about anything..

My daily driver does very high 140s on music (1 12" subwoofer) and crappy Type R mids keep up easily with 80 per side.

I have sat in 155db daily drivers, with simple frontstages, with maybe...2 sets of components or a 3 way active setup, and the midrange was right on par with the bass at full volume.

All adding pro audio crap like eminence will do is make things harsh, if you want your ears to bleed, go for it. but if you want to get loud and keep all the SQ that you can (even though SQ at 155db is laughable) don't go to proaudio. There are better ways to do it...

More isnt always better.

 

[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

Pimpedout97x is a noob.

 

[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

and i agree with chevy

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

to have the mids/highs noticeably louder than the bass when you get to levels of dbs that are over 150 it would take alot of $ to get them that loud and have the sound of rainbows/focals.

id say just take a couple eminence 6.5" alphas and some eminence super tweets. it will sound a little harsh, but it will be loud as balls.

 

[iamamp3pimp 5,000+ posts]

im thinking 2 sets of polymids per door and something soft, but powerful for the tweets

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Dont flame me for this fellas, but You guys seem to have the answers to the questions i am looking for. After the "Winter Haven FL dB drag pics" thread, i am interested in doing a loud Mids/Highs combonation. Although ill take the knowledge ive got over my time, as well as some output from others on here as well to make them sound good. Im looking for some brand names, model numbers, and pricetags of some of the loudspeakers used in many of these cars I see. Starting from the cheapest way out. This will mostly be front staged in my Tahoe, but it will include some rear fill as well. I plan to fit 4 6" or 8" drivers into the front of the vehicle. What are my options though, as I am totally Oblivious to any of this. ANYONE else that has ideas as well, please help me out!
Thanks guys!

Just go buy some effecient parts express drivers and cram as many as you can into your car. For sheer volume it's usually better to have lots of cheaper speakers vs a few good ones. I think the brands your looking for are already listed.

Anyway, feel I should contribute something else to this thread. Using drivers in this method is totally unnecessary. I'm a SQ guy at heart, so maybe I'm biased, but not really. My next setup will involve horns, and 2 sets of 8 inch drivers, only 1 of which will be midbasses:up2somet: Not only should it be able to get loud enough to rip your head off, but it should also do while staying tonally accurate and keeping a solid stage height, depth, and hopefully width (early results are showing that to be the hardest part for me)

Anyway, a setup designed to just get loud, to me, is a waste of money. Turning the dial to 11 will eventually lose it's appeal, and you lose your hearing, then what are you left with? A setup that gets loud, sounds shitty, and no longer impresses you.

 

[Kenny Pollock 10+ year member]

My car was low 150s and two Dayton ref mids per door were more than loud enough with 100 watts to each pair.

 

[OoMesKoO 10+ year member]

Hmmm.... I see. How does about 4 of http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-015 those with a nice set of power tweets sound in the front of the vehicle, precisely crossed over?

 

[OoMesKoO 10+ year member]

And if you scroll to the bottom, with the exception of the 70 dollar a piece B&Cs... they have the highest sensitivity rating of 93.

 

[OoMesKoO 10+ year member]

So if i take 4 of these... bridge them down to a 2 ohm load, with some loud tweeters, and a nice amp... i can have a pretty strong front stage for extremely cheap?

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

you can have a pretty harsh front stage...

In this industry you get what you pay for.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

I like high SPL full range sound, either car or home audio. 99.9% of the time

people in car or home audio never experience a system like this because

it's abnormal. You can execute such a design but it cost more money if you want

high sound quality, catch 22.

You would have to be 100% dedicated to the project because in a car,

installation space is limited and it may derail a good plan. You may have

to 'monster garage' your vehicle to make the design fit.

The tweeter is your bottleneck because high quality, high SPL tweeter choices

are limited. Compression drivers and horns are the most common choices

so you would have to look for some quality brands and see how you can install

them.

Another idea is to make a line array of small domes, maybe eight or more

per channel in a proper install. The good news is that partsexpress has a $4

tweeter suitable for a line array job. You can do a low cost experiment to

see if it satisfies you. There is someone on CAF who is trying this experiment out

and we'll get some feedback shortly. If you have unlimited funds, then PM me. lol

I plan to fit 4 6" or 8" drivers into the front of the vehicle.

If you can fit 4 or more mids per side, that is nice. You get mutual coupling

gain by quantity of drivers and you can get more gain if you wire them

up for low impedance.

Hypothetical.

You use four mids per door. Each mid is 4 ohms and 89dB sensitivity.

Sensitivity is now 95dB due to mutual coupling. If you wired the mids

for 1 ohm load, total sensitivity is now 101dB for the four midrange

array. You went from 89dB from using one midrange to 101dB by adding

three more and doing low impedance wiring. If you can install eight mids per door, you can get as high as 107dB sensitivity.

I'd probably 'run the numbers' on mids in the size of 4" - 6" to see what might

give me the best performance numbers.

For power amplification, you want alot of power. I'd probably run four bridged

amps for the midrange array and two bridged amps for the tweeters.

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