anyone else think isreal is trippin?

[Kickerkitty 10+ year member]

Israel is a country doing a virtuous thing, nobody in the middle east wants them there. In case you guys are too blind to see it, they are in the same scenario the US is in. If you want to see the future of the US, watch Israel. Israel is a country doing what is has to do. You talk big about occupations and such... what if you lived in Texas and Mexicans came across the border and ******* bombed your neighborhoods... you would want occupying forces too.

 

[newtitan 10+ year member]

"her borders" huh

are you sure you know that the present day israeli citizens are the "true " jewish inhabitants that you speak of from the 1000 of years predating modern day palestine/israel?

think you can honestly trace these modern day israeli inhabitants to the through direct blood lines? or is it through ideological religious lines????? --folks can read that history for themselves.

and as far as international law, I never knew that one had to have a JD to read and decipher international law, and last I checked what should I post my degree as a scan or something would that make me more informed?

everyone has a right to a opinion, and I dont think it proper e-edicate to toss mine under the table since you dont really know my 'academic" credentials----as I do have them by the way

and while yes the US supports many countries, but NO outside country of such a small land mass (respectively) and no economic influence into american economics receives such a handout as modern day israel on a CONTINUOS basis---but maybe US citizens dont really need to worry about what our tax dollars are going

does canada support israel also economically, im just curious as I dont know too much about canadian international politics

and not like I agree with body mounted bombs in cafe's just like any other person not in the situation would think, but last I checked that wonderful military, and wonderful infrastructure that israel has was all funded by the us economy and european industrial businesses, or is there some other explanation as to how israel has ammassed so much wealth and technological acumen in 60 years.

war is war man, and those who are in it use whatever they have avaialable to them, hamas is wrong on certain accords, but so are the israelis. but you cant **** those who fight with guerilla warfare if thats the only medium they have.

and you REALLY think the infrastructure (that the US and Europe funded) is okay for them to destroy, over the capture of one soldier, or is there a bigger issue. Why after all the rhetoric of the last 50 yrs do they decide to do this now? and there are no civilian casualties by the hands of israeli soldiers and missiles? cmon now

Terrorist jargon aside--as we all know that is easy to label anyone of muslim descent a terrorist and everyone jumps on the side of "they ****".

but Can it all be so one side to think that only the israelis are just and correct?

 

[SUB_URBAN 10+ year member]

everyone has a right to an opinion, and I dont think it proper e-edicate to toss mine under the table since you dont really know my 'academic" credentials----as I do have them by the way

I'm sorry but its an opinion not a opinion.

 

[newtitan 10+ year member]

Israel is a country doing a virtuous thing, nobody in the middle east wants them there. In case you guys are too blind to see it, they are in the same scenario the US is in. If you want to see the future of the US, watch Israel. Israel is a country doing what is has to do. You talk big about occupations and such... what if you lived in Texas and Mexicans came across the border and ******* bombed your neighborhoods... you would want occupying forces too.

virtuous? when is war ever virtuous, and last I checked that raping 11 yr old girls, killing innocent families, abu gharaib,and gitmo certainly are not virtuous. Yes they are MINUTE cases of overbearing activity, but war is not virtuous--its a neccesary evil. it serves a purpose of ideological upheaval simple and plain at all cost. Thats fine we reap the benfits but lets call it what it is.

and last I checked Mexicans help build this country and help provide for the daily working of almost every function of th us economy??

so where in the world is the remotely close to what isrealis and palenstinians are doing to each other? why would you try and link a immigration issue to a religious/economic/land/etc struggle ?

im not mexican to say the least, but that seems a tad inaccurate when describing the current illegal immigration issues of the Us/Mexico

havent ever known of a mexican liberation fighter wearing a body bomb

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

mexican liberation figher, lol i'd like to see one of those

 

[SUB_URBAN 10+ year member]

virtuous? when is war ever virtuous, and last I checked that raping 11 yr old girls, killing innocent families, abu gharaib,and gitmo certainly are not virtuous. Yes they are MINUTE cases of overbearing activity, but war is not virtuous--its a neccesary evil. it serves a purpose of ideological upheaval simple and plain at all cost. Thats fine we reap the benfits but lets call it what it is.
and last I checked Mexicans help build this country and help provide for the daily working of almost every function of th us economy??

so where in the world is the remotely close to what isrealis and palenstinians are doing to each other? why would you try and link a immigration issue to a religious/economic/land/etc struggle ?

im not mexican to say the least, but that seems a tad inaccurate when describing the current illegal immigration issues of the Us/Mexico

havent ever known of a mexican liberation fighter wearing a body bomb

He was saying how would you feel if mexicans started coming across our borders and blowing themselves up in ******* bombings. He never once said Palenstinians and Mexicans are Comparable.

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

"her borders" huh
are you sure you know that the present day israeli citizens are the "true " jewish inhabitants that you speak of from the 1000 of years predating modern day palestine/israel?

think you can honestly trace these modern day israeli inhabitants to the through direct blood lines? or is it through ideological religious lines????? --folks can read that history for themselves.

and as far as international law, I never knew that one had to have a JD to read and decipher international law, and last I checked what should I post my degree as a scan or something would that make me more informed?

everyone has a right to a opinion, and I dont think it proper e-edicate to toss mine under the table since you dont really know my 'academic" credentials----as I do have them by the way

and while yes the US supports many countries, but NO outside country of such a small land mass (respectively) and no economic influence into american economics receives such a handout as modern day israel on a CONTINUOS basis---but maybe US citizens dont really need to worry about what our tax dollars are going

does canada support israel also economically, im just curious as I dont know too much about canadian international politics

and not like I agree with body mounted bombs in cafe's just like any other person not in the situation would think, but last I checked that wonderful military, and wonderful infrastructure that israel has was all funded by the us economy and european industrial businesses, or is there some other explanation as to how israel has ammassed so much wealth and technological acumen in 60 years.

war is war man, and those who are in it use whatever they have avaialable to them, hamas is wrong on certain accords, but so are the israelis. but you cant **** those who fight with guerilla warfare if thats the only medium they have.

and you REALLY think the infrasture (that the US and Europe funded) is okay for them to destroy, over the capture of one soldier, or is there a bigger issue. Why after all the rhetoric of the last 50 yrs do they decide to do this now? and there are no civilian casualties by the hands of israeli soldiers and missiles? cmon now

Terrorist jargon aside--as we all know that is easy to label anyone of muslim descent a terrorist and everyone jumps on the side of "they ****".

but Can it all be so one side to think that only the israelis are just and correct?

Where was it over the capture of one soldier? It's over the capture of several (4-7) and the continued murder of noncombatants. Destruction of infrastructure (note that they aren't hospitals or schools, but targets of legitimate military importance) is a perfectly acceptable action of war. For the last 50+ years, there have been daily attacks on Israel.

Yes, Canada supports Israel through aid, but we also support the Palestinians through aid. Interestingly enough, the Palestinians are the single most aid-dependant people on the face of the earth.

Israel's economy is heavily focused on the high-tech industry. Intel has major facilities, as does Motorola, and other high-tech companites. The economy, while obviously boistered by foreign aid, is driven by hard-working, determined, and intelligent groups of people who are focused on living their lives in the face of terrorism.

I'm not labelling Muslims are terrorists; that's the last thing I would do. I'm labelling terrorists as terrorists. Hamas is responsible for dozens of ******* bomb attacks over the years. Killing and injuring hundreds of civilians in Israel is defined as terrorism. They are not acts of war, they are not strikes on Israeli occupation or military installments, they are acts of terror, aimed at noncombatants. When these acts are supported by and directed by a governmental body, be it elected or otherwise, Israel has the right to defend herself from these attacks. The Hamas party has refused to a) recognize Israel, b) end terrorist attacks, or c) accept previous diplomatic agreements. How can you work with a government that refuses to work with you?

Acts of war such as cross-border incursions and attacks on non-combatants are certainly justification for reaction and attempts, by legitimate means, to reclaim their citizens. Citizens abducted by militants, not arrested by police for any particular crime.

 

[LoudCrownVic 5,000+ posts]

mexican liberation figher, lol i'd like to see one of those

Theyre everywhere... in the form of hardworking people living in america that have been liberatd from poor economic conditions in mexico //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

mexican liberation figher, lol i'd like to see one of those

lol +1

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

mexican liberation figher, lol i'd like to see one of those

I've seen them. +5 points to anyone who can identify him and his significance in Mexican politics. No cheating.

 

[CrazedCat 10+ year member]

But they choose not to. Israel would much much rather see the voluntary release of their citizens without further military action. In this case, military action was likely seen as the "only" option. Hamas has a history of refusing to comply with Israeli demands or requests. What else can you expect from a party whose main running point was the destruction of Israel?
Hamas has realized that they're up shit's creek without a paddle, hence the reversal of policy on the "right to exist" front.

For all intent purposes, the "government" of Palestine is Hamas...a documented terrorist organization. This is who the Palestinian people chose to elect and support. Mahmoud Abbas—although the "Palestinian Authority president"—has no real power. I say evaporate those filthy ragheads ASAP.

 

[SUB_URBAN 10+ year member]

I've seen them. +5 points to anyone who can identify him and his significance in Mexican politics. No cheating.

That is the president of Mexico right?

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

That is the president of Mexico right?

You mean Vincente Fox? Hardly.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

Didn't Mexico recently have a highly-contested Presidential election?

 

[SUB_URBAN 10+ year member]

You mean Vincente Fox? Hardly.

didn't think so but I like randomly guessing.