Any Aftermarket Speakers With Midbass Like Factory Speakers?

CDT, Rainbow, Focal (BEST midbass I ever heard).

I am rockin out with 2 sets of Rockford Fosgate P162s in my Silverado, and I love every second of it. I got 1 set in the front doors, and 1 set in the kickpanels. It sounds really nice to me. MUCH better than my factory.
Thank you sir. You and Lousiana _CRX have been very helpful. Thats exactly what I'm looking for. Some recommendations. I will definately look into those brands you listed, especially the Focal, which you say have the best midbass you've heard.

Thank you sir:fro:

 
Nobody made you click on the thread, or respond //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
And I never even hinted at wanting my mids to play down to 30hz. I just want 80hz and up.
well your factory speakers aren't playing 80hz and up any better than your aftermarket speakers. The difference your hearing is a light paper cone playing full-range vs a much nicer speaker playing with a crossover, subbass from your mids is NOT midbass.

 
I've got Tang Band 6x9 subs in my doors, and using them alone, it sounds like I have a 10" sub in the van. Makes my stock infinity components tremble in fear.
yeah, i was thinking about having that done. Having 6x9's put in my front doors.

I'm glad to hear it sounds good.. Seems like it would. I am considering this. Thanx for your input //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
And I never even hinted at wanting my mids to play down to 30hz. I just want 80hz and up.
80 hz is very achievable with many aftermarket speakers.

Let's look at the situation though. Stock speakers are generally paper cones, and very light at that. Resonant frequency (Fs) is pretty high because of that, but due to the very light materials the driver can play well under the Fs. What does that translate to, really crappy midbass. Distortion is extreme, and overall the driver sounds like crap.

Now, on to aftermarket. There are several ways to approach an aftermarket speakers. Sparkling highs, or deep lows. Most people respond to sparkly before they respond to bassy, so companies like Infinity build their speakers to suit. However, in order to build a speaker that runs relatively distortion free so your high end doesn't get muddled up, while also being able to be ran in a car door, you need to do several things. In order to keep a driver controlled in a car door, you need to keep it from reaching it's Fs is an open/infinite baffle environment. The easiest way to do this is to raise the Qts of the driver. The Qts is a combination of Qms (mechanical Q) and Qes (electrical Q). The easiest way to raise the Qts is to raise the Qms. Mms is basically the mechanical function of the driver, where mass of the cone, coil etc are figured in and is a factor in determining Qms.

So, with that said, how do we lower the response of a driver with a lower Qts, while still maintaining low distortion levels? We control the environment of the driver. There's a reason that home audio speakers are mounted in boxes. By deadening and sealing your doors, you effectively create an enclosure type environment, though it's still a crappy environment by most standards. By that you allow a driver with low distortion, and lower Qts to operate efficiently.

Clear as mud???

 
80 hz is very achievable with many aftermarket speakers.
Let's look at the situation though. Stock speakers are generally paper cones, and very light at that. Resonant frequency (Fs) is pretty high because of that, but due to the very light materials the driver can play well under the Fs. What does that translate to, really crappy midbass. Distortion is extreme, and overall the driver sounds like crap.

Now, on to aftermarket. There are several ways to approach an aftermarket speakers. Sparkling highs, or deep lows. Most people respond to sparkly before they respond to bassy, so companies like Infinity build their speakers to suit. However, in order to build a speaker that runs relatively distortion free so your high end doesn't get muddled up, while also being able to be ran in a car door, you need to do several things. In order to keep a driver controlled in a car door, you need to keep it from reaching it's Fs is an open/infinite baffle environment. The easiest way to do this is to raise the Qts of the driver. The Qts is a combination of Qms (mechanical Q) and Qes (electrical Q). The easiest way to raise the Qts is to raise the Qms. Mms is basically the mechanical function of the driver, where mass of the cone, coil etc are figured in and is a factor in determining Qms.

So, with that said, how do we lower the response of a driver with a lower Qts, while still maintaining low distortion levels? We control the environment of the driver. There's a reason that home audio speakers are mounted in boxes. By deadening and sealing your doors, you effectively create an enclosure type environment, though it's still a crappy environment by most standards. By that you allow a driver with low distortion, and lower Qts to operate efficiently.

Clear as mud???
Hmmm, interesting, thanx.

Now, if I seal my door, what is envolved in that?

If it is sealed and my power window motor goes out or something like that and needs to be replaced, will that mess up anything?

 
Want good bass from a well deadened car door? The response of the factory speakers is due almost exclusively to the high Qts. Something like this will have alot of bass in a door install:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=290-308

I have used them in several installs and they produce excellent bass response. While not as low distortion as more expensive after-market speakers they will kick the crap out of factory speakers.

The Kicker SS mid also has a high Qts, but also very low distortion. You may want to look into those as well. I have installed them in my Civic in the last few days... but have no deadening yet and huge holes in my door so I cannot comment directly on the midbass yet, but the parameter suggest it will be good //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Want good bass from a well deadened car door? The response of the factory speakers is due almost exclusively to the high Qts. Something like this will have alot of bass in a door install:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=290-308

I have used them in several installs and they produce excellent bass response. While not as low distortion as more expensive after-market speakers they will kick the crap out of factory speakers.

The Kicker SS mid also has a high Qts, but also very low distortion. You may want to look into those as well. I have installed them in my Civic in the last few days... but have no deadening yet and huge holes in my door so I cannot comment directly on the midbass yet, but the parameter suggest it will be good //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
hey thanx man //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

yeah, i am also considering the SSMB8 speakers. And I would love it you can tell me your thoughts on them. The Focal 8's that i posted the link to are very convinient bcuz they are 2-way 8's.

I'm very curious about the speakers on that link. VERY cost efficent. I am wondering about the performance though. You say they have excellent midbass response, that is good to know in reference to how they perform. I will consider them aswell.

 
hey thanx man //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
yeah, i am also considering the SSMB8 speakers. And I would love it you can tell me your thoughts on them. The Focal 8's that i posted the link to are very convinient bcuz they are 2-way 8's.

I'm very curious about the speakers on that link. VERY cost efficent. I am wondering about the performance though. You say they have excellent midbass response, that is good to know in reference to how they perform. I will consider them aswell.
I don't have any experience with the 8" SS... but would assume it will do an exceptionally good job for midbass. Focal makes a solid speaker too, but I have not heard any of the 8" models.

The Goldwood actually sounds quite good, it needs to be low-passed around 2.8khz or so as it doesn't play all that well above that. IMHO, it is the best speaker I have used anywhere near it's price. Price to performance is stellar especially when you want good bass from door mounted speakers.

 
Sundownz, yeah no doubt, it is VERY cost efficient, especially if it performs like you say. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Sundownz, yeah no doubt, it is VERY cost efficient, especially if it performs like you say. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
It won't compete with a $100 speaker, of course, but it will easily exceed any expectation you have regarding it's price range. I am a huge fan of them when doing installs with no subs and moderate power levels.

The bass response is one of the best parts of them, sounds much like a small subwoofer -- a bit like factory speakers, but they have much more travel (linear and suspension) than any OEM speaker that I am aware of.

The poly cone improves the midrange response greatly over the flimsy OEM paper cones... it also holds up very well in a car door. They also have a slightly rising response at the top-end which helps compensate a bit for being off-axis in your door.

All in all... a very listenable and easy to work with speaker for a good price. The only major "downfall" is that they don't sound good over about 2.5 - 2.8 kHz or so, so you need a tweeter that can play relatively low.

 
It won't compete with a $100 speaker, of course, but it will easily exceed any expectation you have regarding it's price range. I am a huge fan of them when doing installs with no subs and moderate power levels.
The bass response is one of the best parts of them, sounds much like a small subwoofer -- a bit like factory speakers, but they have much more travel (linear and suspension) than any OEM speaker that I am aware of.

The poly cone improves the midrange response greatly over the flimsy OEM paper cones... it also holds up very well in a car door. They also have a slightly rising response at the top-end which helps compensate a bit for being off-axis in your door.

All in all... a very listenable and easy to work with speaker for a good price. The only major "downfall" is that they don't sound good over about 2.5 - 2.8 kHz or so, so you need a tweeter that can play relatively low.
Kool, thanx alot for all the input and info man.. it is very appreciated //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
I've had very good experiences with this speaker here. http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=290-307

I used a pair as a direct replacement for a set of Alpine Type-R midbass's.

They exceeded the midbass levels of the Type-R's, and still retained pretty good clarity at high volume.

They were installed in a well deadened door, on MDF rings. Being powered by a Rockford 300.2. I can't remember the exact crossover freq, but it was somewhere around 60-70hz.

They look pretty decent installed, I wanted them to look pretty good since they aren't covered by a grille.

For the price you can't beat them.

 
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