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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I was referring to the topic at hand, the caprice, and your price quoted for its radiator. I do not care what your trailblazer's radiator costs.

The trend I see is you only seem to compare radiator costs. Radiators are something whose cost varies greatly depending on the drivetrain, size, material, etc etc. The point I was making with different engine sizes was you are using a part as example that is not even similar between the makes/models you try to price compare.

and u tell me how its cheaper to assemble the vehicle, when in all GM vehicles there is more moneys worth of health care than actual steel?

Who said it was cheaper to assemble? I dont recall comparing assembly costs in any way. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif
Healthcare isn't GM's problem, retirement benefits (including healthcare) are. This, imo, is the only reason foreign manufacturers like Toyota can play such import/assembly games, and still remain competitive. But thats another debate for another day.

o and by the way, i haven't been duped by anything... if u havent read my other threads i drive a domestic Chevy

You have been duped, clearly. You think Toyotas are made here. Aparently Im going to have to spell it out for you. I said imported parts are notoriously more expensive than domestic parts (import fees, shipping, more middle-men, etc). Your reply was...

apparently u dont know that most toyotas are made in the US now...

This implies you thought/think they make Toyota's, parts 'n all, in the US. They do not.

 

[andrewmoore13 10+ year member]

fabricated no. made yes.

radiators are just one example. all sorts of companies create parts for all sorts of cars. that being said all the parts are not necessarily imported. those radiators are all made by one single company. most of the cars i mention were common 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder cars. comparatively the imports are USUALLY less expensive. i'm not gonna go through all the ****ing parts to cars.

 

[andrewmoore13 10+ year member]

Apparently you dont know that 'most' toyota's are ASSEMBLED in the US now, at best. Nor do you realize the small fraction of the actual cost of producing a car

thats what i was referring to...

/thread for me. believe what u want.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

thats what i was referring to...
/thread for me. believe what u want.

That statement did not compare the cost of assembly, foreign vs dmoestic, in any way.
And, the statement becomes clear when you quote it in its entirety. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Apparently you dont know that 'most' toyota's are ASSEMBLED in the US now, at best. Nor do you realize the small fraction of the actual cost of producing a car (ie: jobs, salaries, equipment, etc etc) is in the actual assembly. Grats for being duped by the 'made in USA' scam foreign auto makers have bestowed on our less intelligent portions of society.

So if you would be so kind as to engage your brain, and disengage your mouth/fingers, you might come to the realization of my point. Companies like Toyota still invest the vast majority of the actual cost of manufacturing a vehicle in overseas companies... but then bring all those mined, refined, cast, machined, painted, fitted, bolted together pieces into this country, build a 97% automated assembly plant, and start running 'made in USA' commercials during the superbowl.
I think the most sad part is, you still dont even realize you've been duped, after having it explained to you once. Now the only question that reamins is, will it go over your head a second time.

None of that compares the assembly costs of Toyota/Honda with domestic manufacturers. I really dont know how to be more blunt without beating the message into your forehead with a dull instrument.

Lastly, I find your attempt to alter the meaning of my statement, by chopping it off mid-sentence when quoting me, to be suspicious.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

audioholic wins hands down, lol!

Also I would offer the guy a 1000 bucks for the caprice and see if he bites. If it has 150 well taken care miles, then she may last. If not, then you will be looking into some parts to fix her up. I would offer 1000, if not, then move on to something else.

 

[David706 10+ year member]

I know what you mean but hears the deal... I dont know sh*t about cars, i live in a small town and i need to buy a used car, i really like the cheavy caprice's. I just found a 91 caprice, the guy said it has like 700k miles on it, but on the new ****** and motor there is only 5-10k he also said its not a pos at all, the thing is i have to drive over a hour away to check it out other then the one pic ive seen of it and the exterior is really nice looking and its only $2000 do you think this is worth it?

am i the only one who caught that? lol@ cheavy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[David706 10+ year member]

audioholic wins hands down, lol!

Also I would offer the guy a 1000 bucks for the caprice and see if he bites. If it has 150 well taken care miles, then she may last. If not, then you will be looking into some parts to fix her up. I would offer 1000, if not, then move on to something else.

i agree..$1000 max, money talks show up with cash in hand

 

[andrewmoore13 10+ year member]

That statement did not compare the cost of assembly, foreign vs dmoestic, in any way.
And, the statement becomes clear when you quote it in its entirety. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

So if you would be so kind as to engage your brain, and disengage your mouth/fingers, you might come to the realization of my point. Companies like Toyota still invest the vast majority of the actual cost of manufacturing a vehicle in overseas companies... but then bring all those mined, refined, cast, machined, painted, fitted, bolted together pieces into this country, build a 97% automated assembly plant, and start running 'made in USA' commercials during the superbowl.

I think the most sad part is, you still dont even realize you've been duped, after having it explained to you once. Now the only question that reamins is, will it go over your head a second time.

None of that compares the assembly costs of Toyota/Honda with domestic manufacturers. I really dont know how to be more blunt without beating the message into your forehead with a dull instrument.

Lastly, I find your attempt to alter the meaning of my statement, by chopping it off mid-sentence when quoting me, to be suspicious.

cutting ur quote off mid-sentence was an accident. the fact remains that replacement parts for hondas and toyotas are less expensive than those for chevys and fords

and let me restate there is no duping. i dont own an import nor plan on it in the near future. i can do all my own repairs on chevys and fords. i have only made mention to where the car was assembled. there is a reason u see so many older hondas and toyotas in comparison to fords and chevys and thats because they are less expensive to do repairs on and tend to be more reliable.

and jesus christ get off the **** 'made in the us' duping idea. i never said OMG ITS BETTER CUZ ITS BUILT IN AMERIKA OMG. i said they are put together in the us. that was a factual statement, which you have said is true as well.

you keep trying to prove your original point of imports are more expensive to fix, yet i see no figures to back that up. show me some numbers and examples.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

cutting ur quote off mid-sentence was an accident. the fact remains that replacement parts for hondas and toyotas are less expensive than those for chevys and fords
and let me restate there is no duping. i dont own an import nor plan on it in the near future. i can do all my own repairs on chevys and fords. i have only made mention to where the car was assembled. there is a reason u see so many older hondas and toyotas in comparison to fords and chevys and thats because they are less expensive to do repairs on and tend to be more reliable.

and jesus christ get off the **** 'made in the us' duping idea. i never said OMG ITS BETTER CUZ ITS BUILT IN AMERIKA OMG. i said they are put together in the us. that was a factual statement, which you have said is true as well.

you keep trying to prove your original point of imports are more expensive to fix, yet i see no figures to back that up. show me some numbers and examples.

Its funny how you try to twist meanings. The debate started off with me saying this... "If you think toyota or honda parts, imported, are cheaper than domestic parts..." to which you replied... "apparently u dont know that most toyotas are made in the US now". Now you want to back peddle and say "i have only made mention to where the car was assembled".
Let me break this down for you, I was talking about part prices, your reply, curt as it was made its meaning easy to follow, was that Toyotas are "made in the US". Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that if I was referring to replacement parts, and even mentioned things like 'import tarriffs' and 'shipping costs', you jumping in to seemingly attempt to correct me with the location in which these parts are assembled (locally)... makes no sense. So again I must be suspicious.

You cutting off my quote in mid sentence was no accident, you are bold face lying now. There is no way I believe you just so happened to accidently leave off half my sentence, thereby altering my aparent meaning to fit YOUR arguement. Wow, how convenient, huh? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif I guess you accidently left off reading that part when you attempted to decipher my meaning from the sentence... and then accidently left off quoting it too. Pathetic excuse.

http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430&CatId=5&SubCatId=7

2006 Chevy malibu radiator cap ... $7.19

2006 Toyota Camry radiator cap ... starts at $8.59 and goes all the way up to $9.69 ... that's outrageous!

If you are gonna be silly, so will I.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Its funny how you try to twist meanings. The debate started off with me saying this... "If you think toyota or honda parts, imported, are cheaper than domestic parts..." to which you replied... "apparently u dont know that most toyotas are made in the US now". Now you want to back peddle and say "i have only made mention to where the car was assembled".
Let me break this down for you, I was talking about part prices, your reply, curt as it was made its meaning easy to follow, was that Toyotas are "made in the US". Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that if I was referring to replacement parts, and even mentioned things like 'import tarriffs' and 'shipping costs', you jumping in to seemingly attempt to correct me with the location in which these parts are assembled (locally)... makes no sense. So again I must be suspicious.

You cutting off my quote in mid sentence was no accident, you are bold face lying now. There is no way I believe you just so happened to accidently leave off half my sentence, thereby altering my aparent meaning to fit YOUR arguement. Wow, how convenient, huh? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif I guess you accidently left off reading that part when you attempted to decipher my meaning from the sentence... and then accidently left off quoting it too. Pathetic excuse.

http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430&CatId=5&SubCatId=7

2006 Chevy malibu radiator cap ... $7.19

2006 Toyota Camry radiator cap ... starts at $8.59 and goes all the way up to $9.69 ... that's outrageous!

If you are gonna be silly, so will I.

I giggled at the end, lol!

Note to self, never.......................never get into a E arguement with audioholic. I will be pwned beyond belief!

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

I wouldn't buy the car. Although, my thought pattern is a little different then that of many people on here. If it's your first car, or you don't know much about cars (which you claim), then why spend $2000 on something without knowing what you'll get out of it?

Either find a much cheaper beater to get by until you can afford something else, or find a cheaper, more logical choice with less wear and tear on it. Or, bus/bike till you can save up enough to afford something more practical, and suitable for you. Don't settle for something that will not be a good long-term ride simply because you 'like' it. Get something that's logical.

 

[andrewmoore13 10+ year member]

are u serious? a radiator cap? thats all u got? come on big parts that people actually give a sh!t about.

and as far as ur quote goes, actually it was an accident, i highlighted and deleted the bottom part of the paragraph but if u honestly want me to go back and put it in there i really dont care, the fact remains that if u blow a water pump on a domestic car/crack a radiator, its going to cost more than if it happened to a honda or a toyota.

for water pumps for the imports run around 30-40$, for the domestics its more or less 50-60$

as for the cars being assembled here... rereading over what i said i agree with and conceit that u are correct in the respect that it has nothing to do with where the parts were manufactured, however, it goes without saying that in general i'm referring to replacement parts. and for the most part there are companies that produce replacement parts for all kinds of vehicles, for example valucraft. this brand, in general, has lower pricing for imported cars vs. domestics.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

are u serious? a radiator cap? thats all u got? come on big parts that people actually give a sh!t about.
and as far as ur quote goes, actually it was an accident, i highlighted and deleted the bottom part of the paragraph but if u honestly want me to go back and put it in there i really dont care, the fact remains that if u blow a water pump on a domestic car/crack a radiator, its going to cost more than if it happened to a honda or a toyota.

for water pumps for the imports run around 30-40$, for the domestics its more or less 50-60$

as for the cars being assembled here... rereading over what i said i agree with and conceit that u are correct in the respect that it has nothing to do with where the parts were manufactured, however, it goes without saying that in general i'm referring to replacement parts. and for the most part there are companies that produce replacement parts for all kinds of vehicles, for example valucraft. this brand, in general, has lower pricing for imported cars vs. domestics.

Actually, I just looked up the price of water pumps (your example). Most models of Chevy malibu's require a a water costing $21.49, and the most expensive being model being 51.99. Toyota camry water pumps, again accroding to napa online, start at $47.99 and go up to almost $75. *shrug*

 

[andrewmoore13 10+ year member]

meh i was using autozone... all the cars i previously mentioned generally stayed in that trend.

i guess it basically comes down to each individual car and the parts it uses.. so i guess it is possible to find an exception to any example.

i was quickly looking through other parts, and the front bumpers for most imports were around 110-170, and for most of the domestics i mentioned it was like 250-300

in the end it basically comes down to how common ur car is for the most part. if u drive a honda NSX parts will cost u a lot, if u drive a buick grand national, parts are gonna cost a lot, if u drive an accord parts will be cheaper, and if u drive a malibu parts will be cheaper

 

[notmade 10+ year member]

ok well i found a nice 97 jeep cherokee with 120k miles would this be more logical?? lol