alpine over pioneer

[MTXTANT 10+ year member]

Originally posted by audiolife thing is you prolly still can or always could if you knew who to talk to heck 10 yrs after the dex-m88 you could still get them cheap and thing is serious listeners would go after that peice as i would still put it up against those you are talking about now. yuh its 4v like alot of the others but it has a very low output impedence...unlike those you are talking about

Still would love the P9 over other decks. It is user-friendly, it has great internal parts with the copper plated chassis and much more. It also has the P-bus which integrates with my XM tuner and Premier cd changer. In fact, I am waiting to here from my local shop on what kind of deal they will give me on one. Accompanied with a deq-p9 you can't go wrong in my opinion.

-peace

 

[MTXTANT 10+ year member]

However I do agree with you.

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[Fabulas 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Moocow16 uh, is the DEH-P90 the same thing? cuz if it isn't, then i can't find it. can u point me in the right direction? the closest thing i found was this http://www.wholesaleconnection.com/productDetails.aspx?Product=1170

No it's not the same thing. I was just informed that they no longer sell the combo....sorry //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[Moocow16 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif u make me sad. i might just have to tell him to get the c-90 then either case, i don't think he'll care

 

[Fabulas 10+ year member]

Originally posted by audiolife pioneer has another line above premier that is called odr. its all digital i dont know how hard it is to get ahold of but couple years ago pioneer pushed odr again with a super team in sq sound offs most of them ran odr decks. if i remember the all fiber out and need the high end odr proccesor to work with regular amps if not you had to use odr amps. only real odr hands on looking at i had though was watching jerry zeigler tune his crx a long time ago.

FYI Actually the P9 IS better than the ODR. The only thing better is the Asian version of the P9 which is supposed to be leaps and bounds better. The only problem is it can only have FM stations to like 89.9 so FM is out of the question.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Fabulas FYI Actually the P9 IS better than the ODR. The only thing better is the Asian version of the P9 which is supposed to be leaps and bounds better. The only problem is it can only have FM stations to like 89.9 so FM is out of the question.

ahahaha bullsheet now you are talking about things that are funny. your pioneer is single or at most 16 bit d-a conversion where the odr had mutltple 20 bits like my sony (dual 20 bit burr browns) this is proffessional grade stuff not some semi decent bells a whistles bs. cheapest thing in odr line was 2k. my sony is only adjustable via a lap top computer where i can set it up anyway you can imagine at a proffesion grade. 24 36 or 72 db per octive x over slopes time delay phase shift independent volumes of channels full state of the at digital eq plus its a 24 bit crystal d-a converter. there is no comparision between what you are talking about and what i am ...none!!! now i am not saying the p9 cant be in a good system or even a world class system but in pure audiophile terms i highly doubt the p9 would make anyones top ten list with anyone that has experience with what i am talking about. the p9 was out when team pioneer did their thing and all of them ran odr not the p9

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

i was thinking of the p-99 i do believe (had single bit working as 16 bit, and also looks almost exactly the same except it has silver lighting) but the user interface between the odr and the deck you are talking about still goes through the pioneer user interface(imo sucks cause its almost as bad as using a kenwood menu). the way the odr and a few others work they hook onto a compter (in one window you have the interface (much more specific) and in the other you can have your rta . sounds like they made some improvements in that specific area with their eq however with the 31 bands and so forth so it is better than i thought but from specs i read odr is still better. whole odr line was optical not just the processors. id say what you have is about equal to what i have in relms of what you can do with it to an extent. i do like the fact you can select lower slopes but if you are doing time delays and phase shifts on purpose (using slopes) i like being able to stay in multiples of 18db at a steeper slope. basically i think it prolly would rate top 10 reading review on it as a combo.

 

[Fabulas 10+ year member]

Originally posted by audiolife i was thinking of the p-99 i do believe (had single bit working as 16 bit, and also looks almost exactly the same except it has silver lighting) but the user interface between the odr and the deck you are talking about still goes through the pioneer user interface(imo sucks cause its almost as bad as using a kenwood menu). the way the odr and a few others work they hook onto a compter (in one window you have the interface (much more specific) and in the other you can have your rta . sounds like they made some improvements in that specific area with their eq however with the 31 bands and so forth so it is better than i thought but from specs i read odr is still better. whole odr line was optical not just the processors. id say what you have is about equal to what i have in relms of what you can do with it to an extent. i do like the fact you can select lower slopes but if you are doing time delays and phase shifts on purpose (using slopes) i like being able to stay in multiples of 18db at a steeper slope. basically i think it prolly would rate top 10 reading review on it as a combo.

http://www.termpro.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=001016 Read Winslow's post. He's used both and definately agrees the P9 is better. Who cares if the ODR is all optical. Who want's amps that are 50x50watts. That's like saying the ODR amps are better than other amps because they have optical inputs.....You don't believe that do you?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif Anyone notice how long this thread has grown

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

i'd give it the nod over the alpine just for quality issues (i owned 2 for less than 2 yrs and both are dead...mind you they were $600 + decks and i still have that DEX-M88) it can do just about everything you need except you still stumble through the pioneer user interface (i would really hate using it to adjust the eq) but would have definate advantage with adjustments on the fly...but mind you in a digital realm you basically set it and forget it. you might have to make minor adjustments but those can be saved.

 

[Moocow16 10+ year member]

hey audiolife, do u have any pics of the odr's? i've been searching for awhile and i can't find anything about them.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

no buttons blue computerish screen sorta silverish in color lol pretty plain jane looking but the guts were all highest grade pro sound components. when i talked to jerry about them there were only 6 places in the us openly selling odr.

 

[Moocow16 10+ year member]

sounds sweet. and u have to hook up a laptop in order to use it? that sounds so awesome. actually, i just found some stuff about it, but it's all about Teams in different countries and whatnot, but i still didn't find any specs for it. oh well

 

[MTXTANT 10+ year member]

Originally posted by audiolife imo sucks cause its almost as bad as using a kenwood menu

I believe you know what you're talking about but please don't use the word KENWOOD in a sentence with Pioneer. Its like saying "big juicy steak" with the word "vommit". No offense intended but please don't. Thank you.

-peace

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

well when you pack a sheet load of stuff into a lil package.... i wouldnt call kenwood vomit i just call them difficult to use lol..good quality though id still take one over an alpine. lol

 

[skeetskurt 10+ year member]

I like kenwood thankyou. Yes this thread has went way too far.