Aiming for 4k, Alternator/Battery/Wiring Questions

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

I am thinking about picking up a 18" Kicker, looking to aim for 4k because I hear that is the best for daily use.

First off lets talk about H/O alternators

I hear something like alternators having 'dual' or something like that in them where they put out A LOT more than normal ones do?

I am looking to dedicate a alternator to the Sub or should I include the speaker amp on it too?

I hear a lot of people arguing you will never get like 200-300 amps at idle, makes sense to me, hell even dropping my truck into N I can see the voltage meter go up a tiny bit. But I was wondering what a good alternator I should get to power roughly 4k(I know I won't be running these straight off the alternator)

Think you have to get isolators or it won't charge each battery properly correct?

About how the power goes, will it always use up the alternator first, then start draining from the battery? Or can I make it so it just drains the battery and the alternator charges the battery? Not sure exactly how the power works in a car. ATM, I don't need an explanation for this, just an answer/tell me what is best to do.

Now for batteries

I see some people with these subs or other ones with higher voltage batteries, like 16V ect. what does this do? Is it better to do it like this?

I dunno if any batteries come with volt meter, but it would be nice to see how much my battery(s) have left in them, where would I put this in the circuit for more accuracy?

Looking for some recommendations for batteries, and how many you guys think I should have to run these subs. Of course I am ok with turning them down a little to let the battery charge, I don't want my ears to blow up, I won't be even pushing the 4k much I don't think, I just want it to be able to take that much occasionally for a decent amount of time, not some batteries that are going to die from being discharged regularly.

Not really that much wiring questions, just maybe what gauge I should run from my Alternator to Batteries, and what speaker wire I should use?

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[dbeez 5,000+ posts]

you are gonna want to run some 1/0 wire i have 125ft spools of monster cable and for alts if i were you i would contact http://www.dcpowerinc.com they have some awesome cs and killer alts..Also for batteries you will need a good deep cycle up front and a few good g31's in the rear 2-3 in the back to be precise..

 

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

Also for batteries you will need a good deep cycle up front and a few good g31's in the rear 2-3 in the back to be precise..

Not sure what this means, deep cycle has something to do with it charging or something? Why would I need batteries up front and rear, little explanation getting kinda confused, first time doing anything like this.

 

[dbeez 5,000+ posts]

well batteries help supply the current to the amp just adding a alt and one nice battery up front will not be avle to continually supply a 4k amp the juice need..You will need to build a battery bank as a storage unit so to speak for the sustained long runs for the amp.The alt is mainly to recharge the batteries..The alt works with the batteries but the alt cant do it alone and the batteries will help but a stock alt would fail pretty quick..

 

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

That wasn't my question, it was more as why there has to be a battery up front and like 2-3 at the back? Can't I put them all up front or all in the back?

And what is the price on these batteries? If I go into the audio store and ask for g31s will they possibly have it? Or do I have to go to a battery specific store?

Also about the 16V batteries does the voltage make any difference on the battery?(Assuming it is 12 or higher) it is just how many amps it can hold?

 

[clouduz 10+ year member]

lol...let me see if I can try and help a little. Okay 1st off battery up (biggest you can fit preferably AGM) Batteries in the back b/c most amps are in the back and you want the power source to be as close as possible to the amp. 0 gauge is a MUST NO EXCEPTION! G31 = size of battery not a brand, you don't have to go to a battery specific store, but it's better to have a battery designed for audio use. Ex. Deka, Kinetik, Stinger, power master. As for the 16V, you can't really run your car on 16v's could possibly fry the ecu. You CAN get a step up converter (think that's what it's called) and run your amp at 16V's not all amps can handle 16V daily.

 

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

So I keep a bigger one up front, and then rest in the back next to the batteries?

I am looking to run 2x 2000 Watt Mono Alpines, probably just go with a battery for each, sound good?

So maybe get the biggest one I can find and put that up front, then one for each amp maybe a step down from the one I have upfront in the rear as close to the amps as possible? How do I wire this? I run one wire from the alternator to the front battery, then use an isolator and run 2 more wires to each rear battery?

 

[EyezsoLow 10+ year member]

LOL dual alternators don't have dual, just means there are two of them.

 

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

LOL dual alternators don't have dual, just means there are two of them.

That wasn't what I meant, I think the word I was looking for was double stator?(or is that a brand?)

I mean I'm pretty good at replacing stuff, like my alternator just broke today and I replaced it no problem but adding a second alternator seems to be a lot of careful work I might not be able to do such as getting a correct belt size and choosing a good spot and then building a mount and making sure its even along the belt, is it a lot easier than I think or should I have a car shop do this?

 

[bhsdriller 10+ year member]

That wasn't my question, it was more as why there has to be a battery up front and like 2-3 at the back? Can't I put them all up front or all in the back?
And what is the price on these batteries? If I go into the audio store and ask for g31s will they possibly have it? Or do I have to go to a battery specific store?

Also about the 16V batteries does the voltage make any difference on the battery?(Assuming it is 12 or higher) it is just how many amps it can hold?

good luck fitting like 4 batteries under the hood, usually do the biggest one you can fit under the hood and the rest by the amps

 

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

What is the purpose of the front one though? Do I NEED one up front? Or can I just have them all next to the amps?

 

[Crownvicon28s 10+ year member]

The battery up front is to start your car.

 

[yikes vR 10+ year member]

Wowzers ! I've been running all 6 of my batts under the hood this whole time !!

* Puts engine back in and batts in the back *

 

[fozzy2134 10+ year member]

get a ho alternator, and put two big batterys in the trunk and youll be good

 

[hockeytoker 10+ year member]

this thread is retarded. op you need to do A LOT of reading b4 u start to build ur set up

 

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

The battery up front is to start your car.

Oh rly, the sub will be on its own alternator and battery. Why do I need to upgrade this when I'm not drawing power on my stereo from that battery?

 

[Crownvicon28s 10+ year member]

Oh rly, the sub will be on its own alternator and battery. Why do I need to upgrade this when I'm not drawing power on my stereo from that battery?

O ok. I didn't know you were going to set it up this way. I guess there is no need to upgrade it then.

 

[hockeytoker 10+ year member]

Oh rly, the sub will be on its own alternator and battery. Why do I need to upgrade this when I'm not drawing power on my stereo from that battery?

ok basically ur just gonna need a big alt any where from 200-300amps just get the biggest one for ur car. upgrade all ur wires to 0 gauge. get the biggest battery that will fit under ur hood(measure the specs) and 2-3 G31 batts in the back. when u hook all the batts up to the alt it acts like one big batt i guess u could say. just the sub wouldnt be gettin power from one battery and one alternator. unless u set it up that way which would be way more complicated.

 

[TheJuggla1 10+ year member]

ok basically ur just gonna need a big alt any where from 200-300amps just get the biggest one for ur car. upgrade all ur wires to 0 gauge. get the biggest battery that will fit under ur hood(measure the specs) and 2-3 G31 batts in the back. when u hook all the batts up to the alt it acts like one big batt i guess u could say. just the sub wouldnt be gettin power from one battery and one alternator. unless u set it up that way which would be way more complicated.

Looking to run 2000 Watt RMS Alpine for each coil on the sub, it works like that correct? I was thinking one battery for each amp? and just run a wire to each battery from the alternator, so I won't need one under the hood since this is separate from the rest of the vehicle, I am wondering though If I should put my speakers on this alternator or keep it running off the stock one? If that is the case I should have a battery up front?

Thinking like this http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee268/Allan-2greasy/SubsAmp-1.jpg?t=1254907608

This will all be separate on its own alternator.

The 4 Chan Amp(Normal Speakers) I'll give it own battery whatever I can get for dirt cheap, doesn't need nothing big its just for the speakers(Stick this one under the hood since it won't matter as much right? The speaker amp uses maybe 200 Watts Max and shouldn't make much of a difference unless its not running correct? Just don't wanna run it straight off the alternator), since it won't need that much really for just the speakers, then each amp gets it own battery, sound good?

Generally speaking, I don't think I will pump these subs maybe 750 Watts(Per Amp, 1500 Together) unless I'm showing off(At most this would probably be ten or so mins) so I don't think I will need that big of a battery, At most I would think 15-20 minutes at full, is that reasonable? If that can't be achieved with 1 battery per amp, what am I looking at if I go with 1 bat per amp at max?

The store I am shopping at carries Kinetik batteries, what size is a g31 is kinetik? here is their batteries http://www.kinetikaudio.com/2009/products.asp

I was suggested 2 2400 Watts Should I step those up to 2 3800 Watts? Or for my needs should 2 2400 Watts work out? What would be my recharge time on these if they were to run dry? (If they do get drained, would charging with the alternator be ok? Or should I charge them with a battery charger?)

Question about running each coil off an amp, I don't see anything on that subs page about doing that, is it ok to do it this way or does it have to be made this way to work like that?

 

[hockeytoker 10+ year member]

Looking to run 2000 Watt RMS Alpine for each coil on the sub, it works like that correct? I was thinking one battery for each amp? and just run a wire to each battery from the alternator, so I won't need one under the hood since this is separate from the rest of the vehicle, I am wondering though If I should put my speakers on this alternator or keep it running off the stock one? If that is the case I should have a battery up front?
Thinking like this http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee268/Allan-2greasy/SubsAmp-1.jpg?t=1254907608

This will all be separate on its own alternator.

The 4 Chan Amp(Normal Speakers) I'll give it own battery whatever I can get for dirt cheap, doesn't need nothing big its just for the speakers(Stick this one under the hood since it won't matter as much right? The speaker amp uses maybe 200 Watts Max and shouldn't make much of a difference unless its not running correct? Just don't wanna run it straight off the alternator), since it won't need that much really for just the speakers, then each amp gets it own battery, sound good?

Generally speaking, I don't think I will pump these subs maybe 750 Watts(Per Amp, 1500 Together) unless I'm showing off(At most this would probably be ten or so mins) so I don't think I will need that big of a battery, At most I would think 15-20 minutes at full, is that reasonable? If that can't be achieved with 1 battery per amp, what am I looking at if I go with 1 bat per amp at max?

The store I am shopping at carries Kinetik batteries, what size is a g31 is kinetik? here is their batteries http://www.kinetikaudio.com/2009/products.asp

I was suggested 2 2400 Watts Should I step those up to 2 3800 Watts? Or for my needs should 2 2400 Watts work out? What would be my recharge time on these if they were to run dry? (If they do get drained, would charging with the alternator be ok? Or should I charge them with a battery charger?)

Question about running each coil off an amp, I don't see anything on that subs page about doing that, is it ok to do it this way or does it have to be made this way to work like that?

i dont understand everyone keeps explainnin this perfectly then u take it the wrong way i guess or u dont understand. you only need ONE ho alternator. you dont need 2 of them! just replace the stock one in ur car to a HO alt. and are u sayin hook an amp up to each voice coil since there dual voice coil subs? i've never heard of that. you'll only need one amp per sub or 1 amp for a pair of subs if u get a big enough amp. also you NEED a battery up front. there's no way around this you simply just need a battery under the hood!!! just hook the speaker amp up to one of the battery's u have in the back it wont matter which one. ok so does that make sense? you get a HO alt, the biggest battery under the hood that'll fit, and 2-3 battery's in the back.

the kinetik 2400's would be fine for u so just get 2-3 of those. and maybe like a 1400 for under the hood. just check the dims and see whats the biggest that'll fit. and maybe 1 more 2400 in the back if u plan on playin with the car off for a while

an ok you shouldnt need to charge ur batts for a while. thats what the alternator does when the car is running. if u plan on playin with the car off then thats just draining the battery. you need to go read a **** load b4 u buy anything. cause right now your obviously oblivious to any thing car/car audio related.